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bakesy
bakesy
WA
682 posts
WA, 682 posts
28 Aug 2012 7:29pm
Need a bit of advice regarding this sport. I have three boys that are keen to get into this and we have access to an area that is suitable for all levels so I'm thinking about it (classic dad speak!) Is there anyone on this esteemed forum that might be able to school me on where to start, 50cc seems right for two of them(4&6) with a 90 or 125 for the 12 yr old? I've done a bit of research on the name brands and have a fair idea of cost, some odd brands out there that might be knockoffs or chinese imports, not sure about them. If I go second hand it could get tricky, have two stroke knowledge from marine engines and dodgy lawn mowers, will this transfer to bikes? any help or things to look out for like mileage or chain wear etc
Hope you can help out before I face the local dealers or second hand sellers.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
28 Aug 2012 9:47pm
Wrong forum. There are good Aussie dirt bike forums out there.

I used to be into off road bikes and probably what applies 20 years ago applies today, kwaka, Honda, Yama and Suzi.
echunda
echunda
VIC
765 posts
VIC, 765 posts
28 Aug 2012 10:03pm
Head over to ORC and DBW
bakesy
bakesy
WA
682 posts
WA, 682 posts
28 Aug 2012 8:15pm
I know technically this is the wrong forum but all sorts of stuff is discussed here, plus I know what it is like when some newbie jumps on a forum and asks for help straight up, look what happened to that "chick" that was looking for relationship advice on here, really constructive
jamdfingr
jamdfingr
QLD
663 posts
QLD, 663 posts
28 Aug 2012 10:35pm
Go for the brands. Pick a colour and enjoy it.

Chinese cheap junk brands won't last and you can't get parts for them.

Look for a small 4 stroke 80-90cc as this is significantly easier than a 2 stroke 50cc.

Also, with 2 stroke, you have to mix oil into the fuel at a certain ratio which can be annoying and expensive. With a 4 stroke you just put fuel in and go.

Go a 150 four stroke for the 12 year old as they can ride this until they are 15+ and then pass it to the younger ones.

If you're going second hand, just check over the bike well. Look for signs of rust in the frame, ask them how they service the bike. Ask about any repairs, when the last time the top end was done and who did it.

Make sure it starts easily and doesn't blow lots of smoke (two strokes blow a little)

Good luck, it's a great sport to be in but make sure you know where you can take them riding as in south Australia there are very limited spots.
bakesy
bakesy
WA
682 posts
WA, 682 posts
28 Aug 2012 9:30pm
thanks jam, very helpful
Woodo
Woodo
WA
792 posts
WA, 792 posts
28 Aug 2012 9:34pm
Jamfinger is on the money.
Don't go the Chinese poo. Spend a bit more and get a known brand.
Get the biggest bike the boys can handle first off. Definitley better to go bigger than smaller. Once they are use to the power and the handling of any bike they will always be wanting to get the next most powerful bike. Kind of depends on their height and what they will be comfortable with really.
I like 2 strokes but 4's are easier in regards to fueling. Don't let that put you off 2 strokes but. Not hard to premix fuel as you would know.
When looking at a used bike try and have a look at the airfilter. It can be a good indication of if the bikes been serviced and generally looked after. Have a look over the forks for oil leaking, obviously around the crank case/seals etc for oil leaks, sprockets for wear (the ends kinda flare over on an angle when worn) brake pad thickness just that kind of general stuff. Make sure it's got good compression when you kick it over and take it for a good spin and give it a fair bit.
Hope this helps a bit. Dirtbikes are great fun! (don't forget to get one for yourself)
Krispy54
Krispy54
NSW
73 posts
NSW, 73 posts
29 Aug 2012 9:32am
I'll third that. Stay away from the Chinese bikes. You'll spend more time repairing them than riding and the kids will loose interest. They are also so out of balance that they are dangerous.

As for size, see if anyone you know will let the kids try their bikes. It will depend on the child as to how big the bike needs to be. My son has been riding quads since he was 3 1/2. At 7 he had no hesitation of trying to ride mine (KTM 525). He then decided that he wanted to go to 2 wheelers and I bought a CRF80 for him. He wouldn't ride it as the size intimidated him. Bought a Yamaha pee wee 90 and he wouldn't get off it.
On the other side of the coin at 9 I would ride my fathers RM125 every chance I got. Dad had to hold the bike for me to start and catch me when I came in.

Go the 4 stroke if you can. Much more rider friendly and also quieter.
A semi auto bike will be easier to learn on than one with a clutch as well.
Buy a brand name and re sale will be a lot better.
Have a look around local and see what brands your local bike shop supports for parts.

Basic common sense with the condition of the bike. Look for splits in the paint on the frame which will indicate cracks, condition of sprockets and chain tension, ease of starting, colour of oil if a four stroke, state of air filter and also look at how much paint wear is on the engine cases. This will indicate how much use the bike has had.

Another thing to consider is their safety gear. As a minimum they'll need boots, helmet, goggles, gloves, neck roll and some sort of chest protection.
It will be quite expensive to set up for 3 bikes from the start.

Contact your local gymkhana club and spend a day or 2 there. They will be very helpful in getting you started and there will always be good 2nd hand kids gear for sale there as they grow out of it so quick.
BennyB12
BennyB12
QLD
918 posts
QLD, 918 posts
29 Aug 2012 9:48am
Win the lottery first!!
stamp
stamp
QLD
2798 posts
QLD, 2798 posts
29 Aug 2012 11:37am
i agree- go for 4 stroke chook chasers: less maintenance & more reliable in my opinion. i would add to go for the same brand for all 3, you will get to know a brand well and its quirks, and be able to work on them much more efficiently. i recommend honda, but that's just a personal bias- i reckon they are the best balance of reliability performance and price...
jbshack
jbshack
WA
6913 posts
WA, 6913 posts
29 Aug 2012 12:33pm
Have even heard of a few Chinese bikes failing scrutineering straight up
echunda
echunda
VIC
765 posts
VIC, 765 posts
29 Aug 2012 2:57pm
Do you want to race MX or just trail ride?

This will determine which bike as well.
Kiting
Kiting
77 posts
77 posts
30 Aug 2012 3:12pm
Def no chinese, it is terrible quality and dangerous.

If cost is an issue, second hand jap bikes are great, again common sense when buying.,

I wouldnt let the anti 2 stroke hype deter you either. Cheaper and simpler to fix if you are that way inclined. I know my first little LT80 4 wheeler was 2 stroke although mixed the fuel itself so there are options that eliminate the mixing issue. (in my opinion its barely an issue anyway, mix 20l up at a time takes you 2 minutes..)

I was about 4 when I started, began with a automatic quad that was good to get confidence and a bit of an idea as to what its all about (which I kept up until I was 15 and it went to the bottom of a dam..) and after a year went to 2 wheels and never looked back.

Its expensive no matter which way you look at it. As far as protection is concerned, everyone will tell you to get the lot (your looking at $1000) although I survived with helmet as a kid and saved up for everything else as I soon realised the value in the gear! Get it online; www.motorcrossgiant.com is where I go, there are lots of others though.

I would steer clear of high performance 4 strokes second hand - expensive to fix and minimal warning signs. Otherwise 2 strokes are cheap to fix if you can do it yourself and jap 4 stroke fun bikes wont go wrong (to an extent).
jbshack
jbshack
WA
6913 posts
WA, 6913 posts
30 Aug 2012 3:17pm
I would say if your considering it seriously maybe even a few trips to local dealers. If you find one that seems keen to support the kids racing (not sponsorship) in any form that is buying factor as well. I know when you become part of the regular clientele and race circuit at many places you will get a lot of free help on race days, good advice and more genuine pricing in the long term.

Like John Hughes says. "chose your dealer before you buy your car bike"
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