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Mackerel
Mackerel
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4 Nov 2013 10:47pm
Ok, to the seabreeze brains trust....
I need a new stereo as my wife has blown up my last 2 without an issue. The better of the 2 that she has wrecked was a Kenwood 200w per channel. I don't know much about audio but the system cost me maybe $1500 about 10 years ago. Had great sound.

We have pretty big parties at our place - she loves to turn up the volume and rock out when people are over. We live inner city but on a big block and neighbours are not an issue as most of them are nightclubs or closed retail shops.

It seems that everything is now about home theatre ect and no one sells just a stereo to play music?

I've got a couple of home theatre systems but they are for the tv's - not for playing loud music at a party. Every thing that the people at Harvey Norman show me seems to be designed around a tv?
I said to the people at a certain hi fi store that I wanted a sound system that would play from my open plan living room out to the back yard and they came back with a quote of $14,000!?

What do I need to get without spending a fortune?
smicko
smicko
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4 Nov 2013 11:30pm
The **** away from Hardly Normal for a start.
Mackerel
Mackerel
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4 Nov 2013 11:49pm
Yeah kinda figured that mate.
cisco
cisco
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5 Nov 2013 11:26am
JB Hi Fi sell stereo amps that have phono input for about $500 in various good quality brands.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
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5 Nov 2013 9:39am
Mackerel said..

Ok, to the seabreeze brains trust....
I need a new stereo as my wife has blown up my last 2 without an issue. The better of the 2 that she has wrecked was a Kenwood 200w per channel. I don't know much about audio but the system cost me maybe $1500 about 10 years ago. Had great sound.

We have pretty big parties at our place - she loves to turn up the volume and rock out when people are over. We live inner city but on a big block and neighbours are not an issue as most of them are nightclubs or closed retail shops.

It seems that everything is now about home theatre ect and no one sells just a stereo to play music?

I've got a couple of home theatre systems but they are for the tv's - not for playing loud music at a party. Every thing that the people at Harvey Norman show me seems to be designed around a tv?
I said to the people at a certain hi fi store that I wanted a sound system that would play from my open plan living room out to the back yard and they came back with a quote of $14,000!?

What do I need to get without spending a fortune?



A new wife that doesn't turn up the volume so much? Not sure that's compatible with the not spending a fortune bit!
Poida
Poida
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5 Nov 2013 10:07am
theres plenty of choice out there
how loud did you want to go? looking at professional systems
have you got speakers?

heres some home amps

http://www.avaustralia.com.au/categories/Amplifiers-%26-Receivers/Stereo/?sort=featured&gclid=CNP2h6O5zLoCFYchpQodFmIAbA

www.pioneer.com.au/au/products/42/98/405/A-50-K/page.html


Would like to know what you get as a matter of interest
Paradox
Paradox
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5 Nov 2013 1:19pm
Search around the AV section of the whirlpool forums. Best site around for these sort of questions.

I get my AV stuff from Eastwood Hifi. email Steve ([email protected]) or give them a call for some advice.

I have found them to be very good at steering me in the right direction. They have talked me out of spending more than I needed to on a few occasions.

I have a set of top end Kef speakers which he put me onto - they are bloody brilliant. My biggest problem is keeping wifey from cranking them up too far. Neighbours (and the whole block for that matter) who have been on the receiving end can't believe they are not big commercial ones when they see them (usually accompanying an apology...:P)

I have a Yamy mid range amp which powers them no problem, but you may need a higher end model if the power is needed.
dan111984
dan111984
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5 Nov 2013 11:39am
Mackerel said..
What do I need to get without spending a fortune?


Get the $14000 system. You can afford it.
Mackerel
Mackerel
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5 Nov 2013 12:32pm
Paradox - thanks for the Whirlpool tip - heaps of info there.
That Pioneer A50K looks pretty good for $1000.
What speakers would you recommend - how much is reasonable to spend?
Those KEF Ventura6 outdoor speakers look like a good Idea - I could mount them outside and leave them hooked up for when we have people over, rather than moving speakers outside and having wires trailling around.
Poida
Poida
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5 Nov 2013 12:48pm
I just read a bit about a Class D amplifier, which is the Pioneer A50K
they are susceptible to distortion at load, so may be a problem if your going for loudness?

I reckon you have to listen to the system first if you paying a lot of coin for it.
IanR
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5 Nov 2013 7:34pm
Mackerel said..

Paradox - thanks for the Whirlpool tip - heaps of info there.
That Pioneer A50K looks pretty good for $1000.
What speakers would you recommend - how much is reasonable to spend?
Those KEF Ventura6 outdoor speakers look like a good Idea - I could mount them outside and leave them hooked up for when we have people over, rather than moving speakers outside and having wires trailling around.


In my opinion Spend as much money on the speakers as you do on the amp. A cheap amp will sound better through great speakers than a great amp through cheap speakers. Kef are great so are Bowers & WilkIns and I like Boston acoustics, be careful with Bose they sound great with their amp but crap through other amps that are not tuned to the speaker. Make sure the speakers have a greater RMS wattage than the amp can produce not just max wattage
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
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5 Nov 2013 8:09pm
smicko said..

The **** away from Hardly Normal for a start.


So true.

All good comments so far, I'd add this:

You can't beat size & weight. Sheer number of drivers makes a difference too.

I expect some argument but I find that true.

If the wife wants something cheap and nasty (relatively) that cranks at parties, big time, and you can throw away after 10 years, maybe one of these:
www.jbhifi.com.au/collections/headphones-speakers-audio/home-theatre-speakers
Sony have been doing that package for probably 10 years now, there's a reason it sells.
It's the V8 commodore of these systems. Lot of bang for buck, but it does mark you as a bogan to some degree.

I have a set of these that I bought in 2000. Bit banged up from all the house moves but still going strong.
www.aaronhifi.com.au/product.php?prod_id=21
Good aussie company, made near Ballina.

The thing about aaron speakers is they never sound loud. It's odd. Until the blood trickles out your ears.

DNSDC
DNSDC
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5 Nov 2013 11:59pm
What you need to look for in an amp is in the numbers.

Power is rated in watts but not all watts are equal.
If an amp is rated in watts PMPO (peak music power output) just walk away. This is how much power the amp will produce just before it turns into a bar heater.

A British or euro amp rated at 20 watts per channel with a THD ( total harmonic distortion) of 0.08% at 20 Hz to 20000 Hz will sound a lot better than a generic 100 watts per channel 0.3% THD at 1000Hz. Go for the minimum THD across the broadest frequency range and run a few back to back through the same speakers.

Real amplifiers use current and are really heavy. The best amps have separate power supplies for each channel.

I've had a good run with NAD ( New Acoustic Dimensions) designed in Britain but made in asia to specification, good quality and reasonable price for stereo gear. When they break, and they will if you crank them all the time, they can be repaired.

A lot of the newer stuff has one big fat chip in it for the amplifier with a switched mode power supply. Once they blow you just got to chuck 'em out.
eibwen
eibwen
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6 Nov 2013 12:53am
I am a bit of a hi-fi nut, expensive disorder.

Whats being wrecked speakers, amp, or both? and what's your input source like CD/IPOD etc.. ? And are they only blowing do you think because they are inside and you turn it up even louder to get it at a good level outside ?

Do you just want to replay the music loud or do you want to recreate the the song as if you were there balanced and detailed etc like the feeling you get at a live gig.

Give us a ball park budget and determine what your after from the system then I can throw out some recommend makes & models based on the abuse potential as with car's there's no replacement for displacement, if your wanting to do a big area. :D

For me I have a theatre room with sound treatment that also doubles as my Hi-Fi room this is where I chill out when I just want to relax and enjoy the music in its purest form! The components I picked have bypass modes so when I listen to music it sends the raw music directly to a dac that then feeds into the power amps, makes a world of difference. A lot of the all-in-one amps do their own things to the music and change the characteristics for the worse, when you hear a simple 2 channel system with out any of the feature rich clutter it sounds insane, or maybe I am just insane.




Squid Lips
Squid Lips
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6 Nov 2013 1:30pm
IanR said..

In my opinion Spend as much money on the speakers as you do on the amp. A cheap amp will sound better through great speakers than a great amp through cheap speakers. Kef are great so are Bowers & WilkIns and I like Boston acoustics, be careful with Bose they sound great with their amp but crap through other amps that are not tuned to the speaker. Make sure the speakers have a greater RMS wattage than the amp can produce not just max wattage


I pretty much disagree with all of that, sorry Ian

To be able to play music clean and loud you ideally want an amp that can overpower your speakers. 99% of the time when you hear distortion it is the amp clipping the signal and not the speakers distorting from being overpowered. A clipped signal is far more damaging to the speakers and the amp than sending a bit too much power to the speakers. Also, you'd be surprised how good cheap speakers can sound when fed a good clean signal.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
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6 Nov 2013 5:20pm
I am a big fan of Monitor Audio speakers....had a set now for over 10 years and they still sound like they did when first purchased. These guys have a good range of them in Sydney to give you an idea of prices. You will want to leave the room well before max volume is reached As an added bonus they look great as well!

http://www.hifitrader.com.au/category38_1.htm

Load them up with a decent amp - as others have said do not cut corners on an amp. Denon, Cambridge Audio and NAD all make mighty fine amps. It really just comes down to your budget. For 2k you can set yourself up with a decent amp and floor standing Monitor Audios...for 4k you will have yourself in seventh heaven. If you want you can add a nice sub woofer but the Monitors have a nice base range. Find yourself a good audio shop and book in for a listening session. Take your favourite music down and there and play it repeatedly though various different setups. You will be amazed at the difference. Enjoy !!
Paradox
Paradox
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1326 posts
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6 Nov 2013 7:03pm
Mackerel said..

Paradox - thanks for the Whirlpool tip - heaps of info there.
That Pioneer A50K looks pretty good for $1000.
What speakers would you recommend - how much is reasonable to spend?
Those KEF Ventura6 outdoor speakers look like a good Idea.


I am not an expert at this stuff...I just defer to others who I trust. When I bought my system I trawled whirpool, then started emailing the guys at Eastwood as they had good wraps on there. They were really helpful, not pushy and I got the system they recommended for my budget and use. I price checked some stuff elsewhere and he matched prices. I can't recommend Kef speakers enough, but I am sure there are others that are good too.

From experience I would expect you to be able to get a good setup for what you want for say $3000. But you could spend a lot more or a lot less and still be happy - it is a very personal thing.

I would definitely get advice on the amp you need. Good brands have low end stuff as well as high end and you need to ensure you get one that will do the job.

I would not trust advice from anyone at any of the major retailers - ie Hardly Normal, JB etc.

Good luck...
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
6 Nov 2013 5:50pm
Fibreoptic in from computer control the tv`s thru hdmi matrix switch. (gone are the days of cd`s).etc in run it into a variable volume 6 speaker zone selector
Channel a is pro-logic running servicing home theatre. Channel b run into the 6 zone
(eBay American import) whole house is a jukebox! Including outdoor speakers.

More speakers located wisely= less volume. Speaker cable at bunnings 100 bucks for a 100 metres.
Cheaper than linking house audio with hdmi running into multiple amps and audio sources.having them switched on all the time =Power$




Get a standard amp and purchase a zone selector . Plug your laptop into the amp .If the house is rocking dont bother knocking!

Speaker cable and a zone selector is cheaper way to go for your application.



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-amp-6-Speaker-Pair-Selector-Switch-Switcher-Volume-Control-6-Zone-900W-/221231021906?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3382657f52


Thats a cracker of an amp " quote^ if it has fibre optic in and a few av`s its a great buy. Dosent have 5.1 channel but thats a load of wank anyways.
people at the shop will try and ell you garbage that you dont need !
Try these for party boxes! www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AA0479&form=CAT2&SUBCATID=1023#4 Matched to these www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=CS2514&form=CAT2&SUBCATID=1020#4
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