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Scotty88
Scotty88
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15 Oct 2012 5:14pm
340 asylum seekers have been rescued since last Friday. Assuming the going rate per head is US$10,000 as has been well documented, then that's a grand total of US$3.4 million. Not a bad earn for one weekend for the scumbags who organise these risky and sometimes ill fated boat trips. For $10k a head you would think they would throw a life jacket and an EPIRB in.
12,354 have been rescued this year so far. That equates to over US$123 million. And that's only this year.
I'm not sure how much $ we give to Indonesia each year but I do recall many years ago that the figure was around $120 million. Something is not right here and we must be the laughing stock of the world.
ockanui
ockanui
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15 Oct 2012 10:45pm
With the potential for the good earn you can betcha bottom dollar there are a lot of well connected business and political folk over there getting more and more dollars every boat that leaves port, wouldn't be a bad business to be in,as there a flood of willing participants wanting to make the journey.... If what your saying is correct 10k per head x at least 100 per boat.... Bingo or at least a tatslotto win every boat, no wonder it won't stop...
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
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16 Oct 2012 9:18am
High ranked indo army officials were busted recently for organising peope smuggling. In general the country is very corrupt and this was proof that *part* of the operation was directed from high up.

Also proof that Indonesia is doing it's best to catch those at the top as well as the bottom of the food chain.

However - any high up people organising the smuggling are in it for themselves - personal greed. Any foreign aid we give them is a totally separate issue - you can't seriously try to link the two.
Scotty88
Scotty88
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16 Oct 2012 7:30am
kiteboy dave said...

However - any high up people organising the smuggling are in it for themselves - personal greed. Any foreign aid we give them is a totally separate issue - you can't seriously try to link the two.


I was not trying to link the two - it was just an observation.
I just think it is so farked up that we give the indos $120 million (I'm sure it's more) and they send thousands of assylym seekers in leaky boats and make $120 million+ and it costs us billions to house,etc.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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16 Oct 2012 11:18am
Not a bad earner for the companies that are looking after the refugees who land at Christmas Island either. How much do they charge for their services compared to how much it costs? Good on the taxpayer though they never get a say one way or another. People much smarter and wiser than the fools footing the bill decide what to do.

Why not give Christmas Island it Indonesia? It costs the rest of Australia a huge amount of money to maintain the place for no return besides people having a jolly jaunt in a leaky boat from Java a few hundred kilometers away. Its about ten times that distance to Australia.

Or turn it into a prison island and send all the deadsh!ts who can never be reformed there. Let them greet the asylumn seekers.

Edit.
In regards to foreign aid, I'm not sure why we give aid to a country that probably has more millionaires than in Australia. If stuff needs to be done there then perhaps the Indonesian government should put its hand out and ask the rich people in Indonesia to pay the bill. Probably they won't as its easier to get the money off the Australian tax payer.



Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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16 Oct 2012 8:23am
kiteboy dave said...
High ranked indo army officials were busted recently for organising peope smuggling. In general the country is very corrupt and this was proof that *part* of the operation was directed from high up.

Also proof that Indonesia is doing it's best to catch those at the top as well as the bottom of the food chain.

However - any high up people organising the smuggling are in it for themselves - personal greed. Any foreign aid we give them is a totally separate issue - you can't seriously try to link the two.


I am happy to link the two.

Give Christmas presents to the kids next door, but if they throw rocks at you then no more Christmas presents. Simple

Foreign aid should be conditional upon them doing all they can to apprehend offenders, or discourage the journey and conduct rescues in their own waters OR take the people back who we rescue in their own waters etc.
Not just carte blache "here is your 100mil a year for fk-all"

I honestly don't believe that a handful of corruption type apprehensions shows they are doing much it has been too big for too long to be just a few crooks
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
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16 Oct 2012 11:54am
@10K/head = $3.4mil


So...

If I were to say get some deposits, and organise a chartered cruise ship...

...I wonder. [}:)]
choco
choco
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16 Oct 2012 11:29am
The Indo's don't give a rats arse they(government/police/military) are sitting around laughing at the Aussie suckers running around picking up these people even in their own waters WTF.Our government should fine them for each person that gets to Australian shores about 10K sounds bout right and then we'll see if they keep coming.
felixdcat
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WA
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16 Oct 2012 10:17am
What happened with the knight in shiny armor............ went to Indo to TELL them he would send the boats back........... then just turned his back to Bang Bang and askek him to **** him deep in the bum, Tony........... king of the jelly fish!
Some one was telling that most of the peeps coming are middle class peeps in the country they flee, they sell all they have to get a better life style here, as soon as they have the refugee status they then apply for familly reunion and we end with 4 time more peeps sucking on the welfare!
That was my rant of the day!
dmitri
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16 Oct 2012 2:26pm
i am totally confused with this saga.
if they being smuggled then they are illegals. but if they are not illegals as their advocates claim then those who helped them should not be called smugglers. no ?
pweedas
pweedas
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16 Oct 2012 11:31am
Mobydisc said...
Why not give Christmas Island it Indonesia? It costs the rest of Australia a huge amount of money to maintain the place for no return besides people having a jolly jaunt in a leaky boat from Java a few hundred kilometers away. Its about ten times that distance to Australia.




Back when labour was in opposition and John Howard was sitting on the throne, he was smart enough to remove Christmas Island and Ashmore Reef from Australian territory as far as immigration was concerned. That is, if you rocked up on Christmas Island you were not considered to have landed on Australian soil as far demanding your rights to be accepted in Australia as a refugee. You had to actually get a bit further than Christmas Island, which is only 200 miles from Indo and 1000 miles from Australia.
Of course it was shouted down by the then labor oposition, and in particular by Julia as being a "desperate measure by an arrogant government in disarray".
And when maybe once a year a boat did turn up she would proudly trumpet, "Another boat,. another policy failure"
Part of their election platform was to remove all these "unfair" measures and make us a "more compasionate society". So now they don't even need to make it to Christmas Island. We are now so compasionate that when they are only 10 miles off the coast of Indonesia they can phone us up and we send the navy out to pick them up.
Somehow I think we are being taken for total suckers.

I suppose we could always vote for the greens, although their remedy as per what Sarah Hanson Young says, is to accept all the refugees in Indonesia to remove the need for people to use people smugglers and leaky boats.
I suppose that would work for a week until the word got out and another 100,000 new refugees replaced them.

There is something wrong with our system of government that allows such dimwits to get into power. They seem incapable of realising the consequences of their announcements past the initial "feel good warm and fuzzy" feeling that they hope it will bring the hearers.

The fact is, what we had worked well.
It was dismantled and replaced with something that clearly doesn't work, and is in fact less compasionate because it lures people into taking dangerous and sometimes fatal actions to get here by illegal means.
And yet they keep tinkering with it in the hope that some miracle will suddenly make it work.
kiteboy dave
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16 Oct 2012 1:50pm
Mark _australia said...
ive Christmas presents to the kids next door, but if they throw rocks at you then no more Christmas presents. Simple



An african once offended me, now I don't talk to africans.
That american guy on tv is annoying, so I dont' talk to yanks.
A pommy backpacker once spilt a beer on me, don't talk to poms anymore.

See where I'm going? A few hundred people involved in people smuggling should not affect your judgement of the other 240 million.

Moby gov't will never never give xmas island away - my fantastic artwork might explain why.

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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16 Oct 2012 1:53pm
^^^^ Dave you know I am talking about repeatedly turning a blind eye, and my anology not so simplistic. What Indo is doing is ignoring the rock throwing, and still getting the presents.

You can't tell me there is only a few hundred people involved. Nobody notices when 50 Afghanis or Sri Lankans arrive in a small fishing village?

tmurray
tmurray
WA
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16 Oct 2012 2:03pm
I thought our aid to Indonesia was compensation for us sending our bogans to Bali for a week or 2 every year.
whippingboy
whippingboy
WA
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16 Oct 2012 4:01pm
A guy I know in Adelaide made $30k from marrying a South African.

She got her whole family here, 6 of them including her, so that was only 5 grand each.
Maybe these refos just need better advise
Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
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16 Oct 2012 4:44pm
This is nothing compared to the chaos on the US / Mexican border, TBS you all should not stand for this nonsense.
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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16 Oct 2012 4:48pm

whippingboy said...
A guy I know in Adelaide made $30k from marrying a South African.

She got her whole family here, 6 of them including her, so that was only 5 grand each.
Maybe these refos just need better advise


The problem is that only men are coming on the boats!
Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
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16 Oct 2012 4:59pm
Lock up your daughters!
Scotty88
Scotty88
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16 Oct 2012 5:27pm
kiteboy dave said...
Mark _australia said...
ive Christmas presents to the kids next door, but if they throw rocks at you then no more Christmas presents. Simple



An african once offended me, now I don't talk to africans.
That american guy on tv is annoying, so I dont' talk to yanks.
A pommy backpacker once spilt a beer on me, don't talk to poms anymore.

See where I'm going? A few hundred people involved in people smuggling should not affect your judgement of the other 240 million.

Moby gov't will never never give xmas island away - my fantastic artwork might explain why.








^^^Looks like ET taking a p1ss.
NotWal
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16 Oct 2012 9:39pm
dmitri said...
i am totally confused with this saga.
if they being smuggled then they are illegals. but if they are not illegals as their advocates claim then those who helped them should not be called smugglers. no ?


It's no wonder you're confused. Asylum seeking by arriving on our shores and claiming asylum status is NOT illegal. Those sneaking across the Rio Grande from Mexico do not claim refugee status because Mexico is not a place recognized as generating refugees. Those people ARE illegal. The people who help them are "people smugglers". The people who help asylum seekers to get to our shores are also popularly deemed "people smugglers" even though they are not necessarily so. The two issues are quite different but they are conflated in the popular consciousness. The standard line with those in authority who want to stop them is that they endanger lives. And they do.

The legal basis for punishing them lies with the Migration Act and the Criminal Code. It depends on deeming the traffickers as "people smugglers". If they can prove they are facilitating refugees they should get off. I think that's the way it works.

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/blogs/lawforum/index.php?/archives/32-Hypocrisy-and-people-smuggling.html
pweedas
pweedas
WA
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16 Oct 2012 10:15pm
If people smugglers were providing that service for free, or even at cost, that argument might stand up in court.
At $10,000 a head it's hard to believe they are doing it for anything other than personal gain.
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