Our Governent is a success

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bjw
bjw
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29 Aug 2011 6:12pm
We hear all the bad things our government has done.

We hear about the ;

corruption, the failed insulation, schools and solar programs that they have invested,
wasted money lack of reinvestment in our electricity schemes.
The unpopular Carbon and Mining taxes attacking our successful WA tax earning companies. The refugee programs in a mess. The increasing gun violence and the lack of movement against this. And I could continue..

But .... are there any successes? Does anyone know anything successful our Labor Government has done?


Diver
Diver
WA
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29 Aug 2011 4:20pm
Kept the independents on side and not let Tony Abbott become Prime Minister
ockanui
ockanui
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29 Aug 2011 6:34pm
There are lots of Schools around Australia that are recipients of new buildings that are enhancing childrens education both in the private and public sectors I guess that's a failure?
whippingboy
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29 Aug 2011 4:45pm

Gave me cheap home insulation, subsidised my solar heating (my power bills have halved), built a new playgrond in the local park, increased old age pensions, delivered super fast broad band to my relos house (bye bye Foxtel) and best of all annoy middle aged kiters

Winning with Jules and the Bobster

felixdcat
felixdcat
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29 Aug 2011 4:55pm
Moved the tax free treshold to $18,000.00, gave me $900.00, good rebate on solar panels, new canteen at my local school, no recession so far.
I wish I knew what the libs are going to give me if they get in ??????? All I eard is we will blah blah blah better than the labs!
getfunky
getfunky
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29 Aug 2011 5:07pm
VERY happy with the improvement new facilities at my son's state primary.

New canteen for volunteers (old one was a very small demountable - in full sunlight and must have made a sweat shop look like a holiday).

New undercover assembly/play area (old one had was stinking hot and had parts of roof missing/leaking).

New library 4 x bigger than old one (which also meant old library became a new classroom).



Oh - and a small matter that (despite being bagged by all those in opposition whilst they were looking for every negative angle whatsoever) the govt had the nurries, spent up and saved ALL our bacons. Now Oz's economic situation is envied by all and sundry OS.

So.. they aren't perfect by a long shot.. but I see them overall as successful.

Thanks for asking bjw.


+1 to keeping Abbot (prepared to sell his @rse to get power) away from the controls. A MASSIVE success right there.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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29 Aug 2011 6:52pm
Gave money to pinko greenie no hopers for overseas fact finding missions about land rights for gay whales?

Which would be good if you were a pinko greenie no hoper going overseas fully paid for a fact finding mission about land rights for gay whales.

Guess that is a positive for the vocal 1%, so must be a good thing.

bjw
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29 Aug 2011 9:06pm
and great success for entertainment value. Great current affair stories. I cant remember where my 900 bucks went though.
cwamit
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29 Aug 2011 7:36pm
Diver said...

Kept the independents on side and not let Tony Abbott become Prime Minister


HAHAH you labs - like all dogs your loyal and hunt in packs - hence the green thumb brigade.

what most on seabreeze don't seem to realize is our government actualy make Tony look good to many voters who would normally share the same sentiment about him as you guys, reason he is still the opposition leader is mostly because the labs are useless and most things they have touched has turned to shyte and Tony has been very good at his job.



biggest success for this government that is easy to answer ..

is keeping Tony abbot as leader of opposition, but not due to the independents who cant just change on a whim a new leader with out a new election unlike a party in opposition who can change when its polling poorly ,the independents know that if they chose the wrong horse first time round, they wont get a second chance at choosing again at the next election. they have made their bed and now have to sleep in it, (insert tony anal joke here ) oh heck i will... got me stuffed why bob brown didnt jump at his offer!
adolf
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29 Aug 2011 7:47pm
Free set top boxes for oldies
FormulaNova
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29 Aug 2011 7:58pm
adolf said...

Free set top boxes for oldies


I want them to stump up a few hundred dollars each time I have to retune my parent's TVs and set top boxes.

edit: Apparently they are actually saving money by doing this. It seems that not doing this may mean keeping analogue TV going, which may have a cost that far exceeds the cost of the free STBs. Who would have thunk it.

www.crikey.com.au/2006/09/27/is-it-time-for-john-howard-to-buy-everyone-a-digital-set-top-box/


I am finding it hard to think of something positive to say about this government. I guess I will have to stick with the tried and tested 'they prevented us going into a meltdown' defence. Not original I know, but I can't think of anything else.

I hear they are trying to hide cigarettes from vulnerable smokers too
Mobydisc
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29 Aug 2011 10:06pm
adolf said...

Free set top boxes for oldies


Yay - Free stuff!

Pity is someone has to pay for everything the government gives away plus all the admin and overheads.

What has the government been successful at? If we are considering the policy/executive side of things from the PM's department, they have had very few successes. People list the BER as a success. If you have Lend Lease/Bovis shares then yes it is a successful policy. Whether it improves educational outcomes is yet to be proven.

Perhaps the best thing this government has done was acknowledge the wrongs committed by previous governments such as policies that broke up families and lead to the abuse of children.



laceys lane
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29 Aug 2011 10:11pm
felixdcat said...

Moved the tax free treshold to $18,000.00, gave me $900.00, good rebate on solar panels, new canteen at my local school, no recession so far.
I wish I knew what the libs are going to give me if they get in ??????? All I eard is we will blah blah blah better than the labs!


no recession so far!!! geez, qld mustn't be part of australia anymore.

it's all good in wa
Jradedmondo
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29 Aug 2011 10:12pm
i spose people can say the government has screwed all of this stuff up, we hear about the 5 houses that burnt down because of faulty insulation but not the how many other thousands that didn't, it's the same with solar panels, i don't believe that it's the governments fault that companies that are using these schemes to their advantage are subcontracting it to people who are sub contracting it even further.
Its the same with the schools you hear about the one school that got a canteen that was badly built, but not the 000's that got buildings that are used and where needed, i don't see that the government is to blame i think that the contractors that sub contract it out to people who sub contract it out to people who do one bad job out of 500 should be to blame as they are just taking advantage of a government funded incentive to make money for themselves.
just my thoughts

Jarryd
tmurray
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WA
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29 Aug 2011 8:12pm
I'm not a big fan, but I think there's actually a massive reality / perception gap in Australia. Our economy is doing really well (esp compared to the rest of the developed world), we consistently feature in the top 5 or 10 best countries for things like quality of life, health, life expectancy, education etc, our currency is super strong (is there anyone who hasn't been overseas in the last year?) and yet somehow we all seem to be convinced that it's all going to ****. Maybe it's just WA that's doing so well and the other states really are struggling, or maybe we just need to stop and appreciate how good we've got it sometimes. Start by switching off talkback radio.
That said I'ld love it if there was a credible 3rd party to vote for next time round - labor not very impressive, libs even less so.
laceys lane
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29 Aug 2011 10:34pm
Jradedmondo said...

i spose people can say the government has screwed all of this stuff up, we hear about the 5 houses that burnt down because of faulty insulation but not the how many other thousands that didn't, it's the same with solar panels, i don't believe that it's the governments fault that companies that are using these schemes to their advantage are subcontracting it to people who are sub contracting it even further.
Its the same with the schools you hear about the one school that got a canteen that was badly built, but not the 000's that got buildings that are used and where needed, i don't see that the government is to blame i think that the contractors that sub contract it out to people who sub contract it out to people who do one bad job out of 500 should be to blame as they are just taking advantage of a government funded incentive to make money for themselves.
just my thoughts

Jarryd


imo, the works projects were goverment jobs handed out to the usual goverment contractors who were probaby licking their chops. too much on, so they handed it out to their mates etc etc.

and yes schools works, hospitals, roadworks etc have been on the up which is good

meanwhile the general building sector, not being in the 'loop' got bugger all out of any so called ' recovery programs'. no real recovery plan for building industry. we don't need handouts, we need a clever forward thinking goverment to kick start some progression.

i've been building for 35 years and i've never seen recession like it or last so long.

honestly, with all the red tape, goverments using the building industry as a money tree etc, i'm not so sure it will every come back
japie
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29 Aug 2011 10:52pm
Two horse race, same owner.

Dumb punters
wodgina6722
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29 Aug 2011 9:40pm





i've been building for 35 years and i've never seen recession like it or last so long.




Unfortunatley you haven't seen anything yet.

BTW peoples our currency will soon be devalued.

FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
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30 Aug 2011 12:57am
They've done diddly for me... and I've had to put up with the trauma of listening to that back stabber.

No free nothing; hey wait, my taxes paid for your free sh!t, give me some of it back mo'fos!
bjw
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30 Aug 2011 10:15am
Granted that some of the things they have done have been good;

The insulation scheme might have been good for many, but it clearly wasn't a success.

The 900$ was again fun, but my business saw a sales kick of 1 week then receded to the pre-stimulas level afterwards. Again ok performance, but not a success.

But Im still waiting for a success????
kiteboy dave
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30 Aug 2011 10:23am
This gov't has actually been remarkably successful at passing law through parliament - we are talking almost record breaking numbers here. It's not very sexy but it's a real measure of a government's achievement in terms of it's core function.
felixdcat
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WA
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30 Aug 2011 9:48am
wodgina6722 said...






i've been building for 35 years and i've never seen recession like it or last so long.




Unfortunatley you haven't seen anything yet.

BTW peoples our currency will soon be devalued.


Great if you have debts!
Another good thing from the labs if it happens!

Mobydisc
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NSW
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30 Aug 2011 12:09pm
kiteboy dave said...

This gov't has actually been remarkably successful at passing law through parliament - we are talking almost record breaking numbers here. It's not very sexy but it's a real measure of a government's achievement in terms of it's core function.


Is that a good thing? More law, more regulation, more red tape, more cost, more tax, less enterprise, less personal responsibility, less freedom.

History has shown the more productive a parliament/congress/peoples assembly/royal court/politburo/executive is at passing laws, more often people end up working and dying for their masters. Very rarely do governments introduce laws to limit their power and influence.


By government I assume we are talking about the policy/debate chamber of parliament and the executive rather than the administrative area of the public service?








FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
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30 Aug 2011 10:16am
kiteboy dave said...

This gov't has actually been remarkably successful at passing law through parliament - we are talking almost record breaking numbers here. It's not very sexy but it's a real measure of a government's achievement in terms of it's core function.


Bring on the nanny state (or nation?)

Edit: Its cos of those bloody greens - who (even though they dont hold a majority) seem to be calling all the shots.
Little Jon
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30 Aug 2011 1:51pm
Keeping the economy growing while all the tory governments are in recession.
Little Jon
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30 Aug 2011 1:56pm



Unfortunatley you haven't seen anything yet.

BTW peoples our currency will soon be devalued.




Lets hope so, get manufacturing jobs back
SomeOtherGuy
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NSW
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30 Aug 2011 2:37pm
YES!

I STILL HAVE A JOB!!

Believe me, that wasn't a given when the gfc hit... lots of managers looking really worried for a while there.
SomeOtherGuy
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30 Aug 2011 2:50pm
wodgina6722 said...

Unfortunatley you haven't seen anything yet.

BTW peoples our currency will soon be devalued.


By "soon" do you mean tomorrow? Next week? Month? Year??

That's what I like about doomsayers - open ended predictions, no time frames. Don't actually predict anything just say it's all going to shyte and then wait for a downturn so you can say "I told you so"
SomeOtherGuy
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30 Aug 2011 2:52pm
bjw said...

Granted that some of the things they have done have been good;

The insulation scheme might have been good for many, but it clearly wasn't a success.

The 900$ was again fun, but my business saw a sales kick of 1 week then receded to the pre-stimulas level afterwards. Again ok performance, but not a success.

But Im still waiting for a success????


You were given several. Why ask the question if you ain't going to listen to the answers? Or were you just hoping to have your biases confirmed for you?
Poodle
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WA
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30 Aug 2011 2:13pm
My kid's local primary school got a new $1M dollar classroom to replace some old demountables. It only cost $2M....
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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30 Aug 2011 3:40pm
bjw said...

Granted that some of the things they have done have been good;

The insulation scheme might have been good for many, but it clearly wasn't a success.

The 900$ was again fun, but my business saw a sales kick of 1 week then receded to the pre-stimulas level afterwards. Again ok performance, but not a success.

But Im still waiting for a success????


Pretty sure you spent the $900 on pimps didn't ya?

Insulation scheme wasn't allowed to succeed due to a few oportunistic dodgy business peeps doing shonky work.. and the witch hunt media circus that followed.

As others have said, most insulation jobs and schools etc were good jobs..but good stories don't rate in the news (or push biased barrows up a slanted hills ey bjw).

Glass is more than half full buddy.
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