Perceptions of wind strength

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knot board
knot board
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6 Sep 2007 10:41am
Why is it that kitesurfers and windsurfers perceive wind strength so differently? There is a thread going at the moment with one kiter in particular claiming to ride in 45 knots. Where do all these hard core, big balled kite surfers live? My observation is is that when the wind reaches a true 25 knots all the kiters put their tail between their legs and the windsurfers come out to play!
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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6 Sep 2007 8:51am
A true WA 30kn is my limit.

When its like that i am no longer enjoying myself its more kite to survive.

I wish i was as ballsy as a windsurfer.
knot board
knot board
QLD
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6 Sep 2007 11:02am
I poo my pants over 25 knots too Rellie, I just don't try to claim it!
hardie
hardie
WA
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6 Sep 2007 9:12am
quote:
Originally posted by knot board

Why is it that kitesurfers and windsurfers perceive wind strength so differently? There is a thread going at the moment with one kiter in particular claiming to ride in 45 knots. Where do all these hard core, big balled kite surfers live? My observation is is that when the wind reaches a true 25 knots all the kiters put their tail between their legs and the windsurfers come out to play!



2 things, one kitesurfing skills and equipment has improved, so they can be out in higher winds. Secondly and to the point of your question, there is a tendency to over-estimate wind strength. I got myself a Kestral 3000 wind meter, and what I thought was 30 knots was only about 25 knots. What was true 30 knots by the meter, I used to estimate as closer to 40knots. And what people were calling on the beach was always less than what my meter was reading, and when they'd ask "how strong", you'd always get that rasied eyebrow look when you told them itwas significantly less than they estimated!!
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
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6 Sep 2007 9:13am
30knts is pretty much my limit too, have sailed in up to 35.

To me, its more about comfort than being able to claim big wind strengths.
Whats the point of sailing in 30-40 when it seems to be more about survival than enjoyment. 22-27knts is fun, you can pull off your moves without being overpowered etc. Fun is what its all about.

I also agree with Hardie about people estimating wildly. The wife gave me a wind meter for my birthday and I do find it interesting to see what the "real" strength is compared to what the meter actually reads.
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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6 Sep 2007 9:50am
A true 25knot seabreeze is pretty insane if you ask me. Use to have a 4.2m and stuggled to hold onto it over 25knots. Now have a new 4m itching to be used. My sweet spot is 18-23knots with a 5m.
But then again to say you sail or kite in 30 or 40 plus knot winds takes alot of skill and the use of small gear. Also guessing that most people weigh more than I do which also helps in power to weight ratio. I dont even weigh 70kg. How often do we get 30knot seabreeze's anyway? From memory only 2 maybe 3 times a season?
knot board
knot board
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6 Sep 2007 11:57am
I suggest the fellow who claims to kitesurf in 45 knots should become familiar with the beaufort scale (www.bom.gov.au/lam/glossary/beaufort.shtml ) as a more accurate way of estimating wind strength

41-47 knots
Slight structural damage occurs -roofing dislodged;
larger branches break off.
High waves;
dense streaks of foam;
crests of waves begin to topple, tumble and roll over;
spray may affect visibility.
hardie
hardie
WA
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6 Sep 2007 10:06am
quote:
Originally posted by knot board

I suggest the fellow who claims to kitesurf in 45 knots should become familiar with the beaufort scale (www.bom.gov.au/lam/glossary/beaufort.shtml ) as a more accurate way of estimating wind strength

41-47 knots
Slight structural damage occurs -roofing dislodged;
larger branches break off.
High waves;
dense streaks of foam;
crests of waves begin to topple, tumble and roll over;
spray may affect visibility.



I remember being in Ireland on a day in 1987 standing on a Cliff in a 50 knot gale, and to say I was standing was an exaggeration, I couldn't stand still, the wind was consistently at 50 kots, not 50 knot gusts, it was a solid 50 knots, the cars were shaking, and getting moved while driving.

If you had dead flat water, like sandy point, it may be possible, I think Mal Wright has sailed in similar winds, I think Slowboat has also?
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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6 Sep 2007 10:18am
I have experienced the same thing in wales. unsure of the wind speed but would estimate it to be up around 45-50kn.
As you say Hardie its difficult to stay upright.

I guess the wind speed reader things only give wind lovers an idea. I would doubt their accuracy.

however kites have come a long way over the past few years. It probably is possible to kite in 35/40knots on a 3m Kite.
knot board
knot board
QLD
1241 posts
QLD, 1241 posts
6 Sep 2007 12:28pm
quote:
It probably is possible to kite in 35/40knots on a 3m Kite.


It may be also possible to check your own prostrate, you don't hear of many people doing that either.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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6 Sep 2007 10:36am
Indeed, there are some things that are considered "too much information"

decrepit
decrepit
WA
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6 Sep 2007 1:01pm
Just another factor to think about, the kite's are also in stronger wind, 50m up is stronger than 1.8m (where wind meter is being held)

Some of the kiters here are out in fairly strong winds, in fact I'm more likely to get a wave sail without them in 12knts, than I am a 30kn blast
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
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7 Sep 2007 7:07am
All this High Falluting tackernalogee.

Don't worry about what the number is put up a sail you can hang onto.

If it's that windy your dog gets blown over, tie him to a shady tree before you go out
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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7 Sep 2007 8:56am
quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

I
however kites have come a long way over the past few years. It probably is possible to kite in 35/40knots on a 3m Kite.


www.seabreeze.com.au/graphs/wa.asp

i wonder if anyone is interested in trying on wednesday?
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
7 Sep 2007 10:11am
quote:
Originally posted by Dawn Patrol

quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

I
however kites have come a long way over the past few years. It probably is possible to kite in 35/40knots on a 3m Kite.


www.seabreeze.com.au/graphs/wa.asp

i wonder if anyone is interested in trying on wednesday?



I'm not only interested, I will be out there all day at our local spot that goes off in that direction. Hopefully the swell hits earlier than they predict.

How good is this arvo and tomorrow looking I can feel an early Friday arvo knock off coming on.
knot board
knot board
QLD
1241 posts
QLD, 1241 posts
7 Sep 2007 12:21pm
quote:
Originally posted by Blaster

40knots with a 4 or 5m kite sounds like fun to me



true, but 45 knots with a 10m kite sounds like a recipe for disaster

or a load of bull****
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
7 Sep 2007 11:12am
Sorry knot board I edited my last comment.

It would be fun once your on the water. But the other week when we where out in 30+ you could hardly look into the wind when standing on the beach, SB charts showed a gust to 41 knots during the time we were down the beach. I think I remember when it came through I'd just got to the beach struggled to land my kite and my board lifted off and rolled 50m side over side till it came to rest in a bush. I could feel the sand lashing my legs through my wetty. even the 2 windsurfers came in and sat it out and they had tiny sails.

We did get a solid hour in 25-30 knots just before which was a great little session.

bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
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7 Sep 2007 3:09pm
I'm not realy sure what my limit is. I was told by some guys that have sailed all their lives that i was out in 30-35 knot gusts one time. Everyone was using 4.5s to 5.2s and i was on a 5.0 with complete full down haul hanging on for my life. It was about 30 or 40cm deep water and hurt when you came off aswell. But by the sounds of this article it may not have been true 35 knots. All i know is that it was really really windy. I don't do it enough realy to get a wind meter thing. Seems like a waste of money really, better off saving for more gear.

Bubs
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