Personal Trainers being slugged for park use...

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Simondo
Simondo
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20 Jul 2012 11:27am
I think the world has gone wrong (quite a while ago actually!)....

I've heard that personal trainers in Sydney are slugged a fee to use the parks and foreshore. It's filtering in here also on the Surf Coast and Bellarine Peninsula, and Geelong.

I think it is totally wrong! It just drives up the price for the people who are trying to do something positive for themselves...

2 mates can go and train together for free... But a personal trainer and the paying member of the public have to cough up an annual fee... Just Wrong!

PARKS ARE FOR EVERYONE!!

I think it's just money grabbing from councils.

(anyway, surf is pumping, I'm outta here!)
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
20 Jul 2012 9:37am
Simondo said...

I think the world has gone wrong (quite a while ago actually!)....

I've heard that personal trainers in Sydney are slugged a fee to use the parks and foreshore. It's filtering in here also on the Surf Coast and Bellarine Peninsula, and Geelong.

I think it is totally wrong! It just drives up the price for the people who are trying to do something positive for themselves...

2 mates can go and train together for free... But a personal trainer and the paying member of the public have to cough up an annual fee... Just Wrong!

PARKS ARE FOR EVERYONE!!

I think it's just money grabbing from councils.

(anyway, surf is pumping, I'm outta here!)


Yes!

Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
1267 posts
WA, 1267 posts
20 Jul 2012 9:41am
If anyone is operating as a business, then they are required to pay their dues.
tmurray
tmurray
WA
485 posts
WA, 485 posts
20 Jul 2012 9:46am
Um, if you're charging a fee and using council provided equipment (lots of parks have those little exercise stations - and the personal trainers often run circuit groups on them, and also use park benches etc) you should pay. In many cases you're actually preventing the general public from using the facilities / area, especially when you get multiple PT's or PT's running quite big groups and multiple sessions. Absolutely they should get charged. And those fees should be put straight back into local ammenities.
jamdfingr
jamdfingr
QLD
663 posts
QLD, 663 posts
20 Jul 2012 11:49am
I agree, if youre training with a mate and no money is swapping hands, then no payment.

If you are using the place as your businesses leisure centre, then you should pay a fee.

You wouldnt see a chef go down to the local park and use the BBQ's and outdoor tables without some sort of fee's charged.

I understand that it is public property and that people can use it for free, but it is fair to pay a fee if you are gaining personal monetary rewards while using that equipment.

You basically help pay a fee to the council to help create these parks and maintain them.


Sorry mate, I think its a fair call....
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
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20 Jul 2012 10:15am
Can't believe that some agree this should be charged out. What a load of rubbish. What the hell do you pay your council rates and tax for. What are these guys and girls going to do, wear the bloody foot path and the grass out?
Give me a break you guys, you pay rates and tax, then the council charges these guys for use of, these guys on charge you, and you actually pay twice
Its the same bloody issue with Councils hiring security guards. You pay the bloody Government tax to supply policing, then the council because the Government can't or won't add cops in its force, and you are slugged again by council for this added program

Simondo, backing you 100% on this issue. Its crap
chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
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20 Jul 2012 12:17pm
if people want to get married in a park on the gold coast,they have to pay,no matter how small. i own hotdog carts and the crap i have to go through and the money i have to pay is ricockulous. the personal trainers could get their fat clients to start mowing lawns. or guess what they could open a studio,fit it out and pay big rent to boot and then complain about what the thieving council wants.

felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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20 Jul 2012 10:34am
Pitbull said...

If anyone is operating as a business, then they are required to pay their dues.

yep............. taxes.

felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
20 Jul 2012 10:37am
mineral1 said...

Can't believe that some agree this should be charged out. What a load of rubbish. What the hell do you pay your council rates and tax for. What are these guys and girls going to do, wear the bloody foot path and the grass out?
Give me a break you guys, you pay rates and tax, then the council charges these guys for use of, these guys on charge you, and you actually pay twice
Its the same bloody issue with Councils hiring security guards. You pay the bloody Government tax to supply policing, then the council because the Government can't or won't add cops in its force, and you are slugged again by council for this added program

Simondo, backing you 100% on this issue. Its crap
Agree too! It is double dipping from the council!

felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
20 Jul 2012 10:40am
tmurray said...

Um, if you're charging a fee and using council provided equipment (lots of parks have those little exercise stations - and the personal trainers often run circuit groups on them, and also use park benches etc) you should pay. In many cases you're actually preventing the general public from using the facilities / area, especially when you get multiple PT's or PT's running quite big groups and multiple sessions. Absolutely they should get charged. And those fees should be put straight back into local ammenities.

Bull crap..... you are telling me now that if someone direct you on how to use the equipment you fall in a different category from general puplic. At the end the trainer is passing the cost to the trainee at no expense to him and you are the mug paying the council double tax............ very good Mr murray! You should be a council CEO!
Wollemi
Wollemi
NSW
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20 Jul 2012 1:06pm
Simondo said...

I've heard that personal trainers in Sydney are slugged a fee to use the parks and foreshore. It's filtering in here also on the Surf Coast and Bellarine Peninsula, and Geelong.


www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fat-fees-threaten-to-push-personal-trainers-past-their-limits-20100112-m4u5.html
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
20 Jul 2012 11:16am
chrispychru said...

if people want to get married in a park on the gold coast,they have to pay,no matter how small. i own hotdog carts and the crap i have to go through and the money i have to pay is ricockulous. the personal trainers could get their fat clients to start mowing lawns. or guess what they could open a studio,fit it out and pay big rent to boot and then complain about what the thieving council wants.




You should be able to park your hotdog where ever you like, oh I mean hotdog cart, not just ya hotdog
Wollemi
Wollemi
NSW
350 posts
NSW, 350 posts
20 Jul 2012 1:17pm
felixdcat said...
At the end the trainer is passing the cost to the trainee at no expense to him and you are the mug paying the council double tax...


If a local gym has its running costs increased, such as electricity or council rates, these are often passed on to the gym user, yet it is likely that a gym user goes home and does stretches there. They are paying the council double tax.

DunkO
DunkO
NSW
1150 posts
NSW, 1150 posts
20 Jul 2012 1:25pm
if you don't like the fees just grab your mate and go for a run, like you said

i find paying a lot of money to do something you could do for free silly.

those boot camps carrying on down at the beach sh!t me.

Wollemi
Wollemi
NSW
350 posts
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20 Jul 2012 1:28pm
Simondo said...

I've heard that personal trainers in Sydney are slugged a fee to use the parks and foreshore. It's filtering in here also on the Surf Coast and Bellarine Peninsula, and Geelong.

I think it is totally wrong! It just drives up the price for the people who are trying to do something positive for themselves...

2 mates can go and train together for free... But a personal trainer and the paying member of the public have to cough up an annual fee... Just Wrong!


If I go for on a cross-country ski trip, alone or with friends, it is free - but if I use the services of a guide, there is an additional fee payable to the State, by the guiding company - which is passed on to the client. Yet I already paid for a National Park entry fee (in NSW anyway).

If I take go surfing or take a photo at a surf beach, it is free - but if I take a surf-board riding lesson, or the photo is to be sold for profit, there is a fee to be paid to the council.

Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
1267 posts
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20 Jul 2012 11:37am
If a majority of bussinesses were to use public open space as their work site, then the general public wouldn't be able to use the same space. Also there would be excessive wear and tear on these sites that wouldn't usually occur.
SP
SP
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SP SP
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20 Jul 2012 11:38am
doggie said...

chrispychru said...

if people want to get married in a park on the gold coast,they have to pay,no matter how small. i own hotdog carts and the crap i have to go through and the money i have to pay is ricockulous. the personal trainers could get their fat clients to start mowing lawns. or guess what they could open a studio,fit it out and pay big rent to boot and then complain about what the thieving council wants.




You should be able to park your hotdog where ever you like, oh I mean hotdog cart, not just ya hotdog


I'm sure Chrispy throws his hotdogs up any hall way he like

They should Charge, just change how they do it. Hot chicks $0. Fat chicks in Lycra $1000s. Seriously its a good idea in central Sydney it just became ridiculous, you couldn't go to any open space without someone having a personal training session, if public space is for the public then pretty rude and puts you off your lunch when some fat exec in bike pants is jangling his lolly bag in your face.

And FFS, personal trainers... When did it become so hard to exercise that you need some gym jockey yelling at you, just put the cake down and go for a run, swim, bike ride...




dusta
dusta
WA
2940 posts
WA, 2940 posts
20 Jul 2012 11:40am
excellent i will go move my IT company out into the park across the road and not have to pay $400K a year in rent and all the other expenses i cough up for each year . i mean if it's good enough for PT's to have low overheads , why should i pay massive overheads right ?
Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
1267 posts
WA, 1267 posts
20 Jul 2012 11:43am
dusta said...

excellent i will go move my IT company out into the park across the road and not have to pay $400K a year in rent and all the other expenses i cough up for each year . i mean if it's good enough for PT's to have low overheads , why should i pay massive overheads right ?



That's the whole point. They want to charge the PT's as a deterent to others who want to operate a business for free.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
20 Jul 2012 11:55am
To break up the routine I do the odd session down the beach with my trainer, I'd expect to be able to do it for free without hindrance from the shire as its only a one-on-one session and not causing a nuisance to anyone. On the other hand I'd expect that if a PT was going to run a group session at the same park every weekday at 5pm and again on Saturday mornings on equipment provided by someone else they would register with the shire, pay their dues and prove they have insurance etc.

If I was paying a PT good money for a group session in the same park, at the same time each week I'd expect they have jumped through all the hoops and are qualified, registered and insured - that's what I'm paying good money for.

If I wanted to be trained by an idiot that has no fricken clue I'd go to the gym at work and do it by myself
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
20 Jul 2012 12:01pm
Chris6791 said...

To break up the routine I do the odd session down the beach with my trainer, I'd expect to be able to do it for free without hindrance from the shire as its only a one-on-one session and not causing a nuisance to anyone. On the other hand I'd expect that if a PT was going to run a group session at the same park every weekday at 5pm and again on Saturday mornings on equipment provided by someone else they would register with the shire, pay their dues and prove they have insurance etc.

If I was paying a PT good money for a group session in the same park, at the same time each week I'd expect they have jumped through all the hoops and are qualified, registered and insured - that's what I'm paying good money for.

If I wanted to be trained by an idiot that has no fricken clue I'd go to the gym at work and do it by myself


You need to work out after all that light beer
Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
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WA, 1267 posts
20 Jul 2012 12:04pm
Working out AND light beer! Now there's a bad combo.
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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20 Jul 2012 12:04pm
Are driving instructors paying special fees to operate a buisness on the roads???
What about boat instructors?
Surf clubs should pay as well for training nippers if we fall in that trap!
What a lot of crakadoodle money grabing bastard councils! What about car detailers?????
SP
SP
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SP SP
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20 Jul 2012 12:04pm
^^^
Low carb mid strength
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
20 Jul 2012 12:09pm
doggie said...



You need to work out after all that light beer


It was mid-strength!!! and I thought light beer was only for semi-retired short-boarders
Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
1267 posts
WA, 1267 posts
20 Jul 2012 12:10pm
felixdcat said...

Are driving instructors paying special fees to operate a buisness on the roads???
What about boat instructors?
Surf clubs should pay as well for training nippers if we fall in that trap!
What a lot of crakadoodle money grabing bastard councils! What about car detailers?????


Drivig instructors are a registered business and pay higher rego fees. The same would be with boaties. Surf clubs are operated by councils. Car detailers are smart and don't tend to operate from public spaces but on private properties and they move around alot which makes it hard to catch them.
Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
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20 Jul 2012 2:51pm
I agree, fair enough to have a fee for Mr Hot Dog Van, and Mr Whippy;
But the parks should be free, so you can lose the fat you got from Mr Hot Dog & Mr Whippy !!

Park use needs to encouraged, not discouraged !!
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
20 Jul 2012 12:53pm
Pitbull said...

felixdcat said...

Are driving instructors paying special fees to operate a buisness on the roads???
What about boat instructors?
Surf clubs should pay as well for training nippers if we fall in that trap!
What a lot of crakadoodle money grabing bastard councils! What about car detailers?????


Drivig instructors are a registered business and pay higher rego fees. The same would be with boaties. Surf clubs are operated by councils. Car detailers are smart and don't tend to operate from public spaces but on private properties and they move around alot which makes it hard to catch them.

Yes but not to councils!
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
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WA, 2331 posts
20 Jul 2012 12:59pm
I would imagine for the council it all comes down to liability.

If someone is training in the park, especially if they are using park equipment, and they hurt themselves, who is responsible ... the trainer or the council?

CMC
CMC
QLD
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20 Jul 2012 2:59pm
felixdcat said...

Pitbull said...

felixdcat said...

Are driving instructors paying special fees to operate a buisness on the roads???
What about boat instructors?
Surf clubs should pay as well for training nippers if we fall in that trap!
What a lot of crakadoodle money grabing bastard councils! What about car detailers?????


Drivig instructors are a registered business and pay higher rego fees. The same would be with boaties. Surf clubs are operated by councils. Car detailers are smart and don't tend to operate from public spaces but on private properties and they move around alot which makes it hard to catch them.

Yes but not to councils!


Maybe driving instructors should be charged a fee by the council as a regular road user they are without doubt wearing out the road.

As a member of the public and using 'public' property I find the idea absurd that a council would charge its ratepayers.... Yes, if the PT has to pay a fee to council to take the students there he will pass it on to his students who already flippin pay for the park in the first place.

Crikey, come to my area there's hardly a spot left in any beachside park at 6am. And that's great...... It's what they are there for.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23701 posts
WA, 23701 posts
20 Jul 2012 1:42pm
I say charge them. There has been times my kids were glared at as they tried to use the play equipment for god sake

These PT's are making $2K a week for stuff all hours, I think they can afford it.

It is parkland supplied for all but as soon as they are running a business there with no overheads they should pay. Especially as it was kind of a good idea by a few, but now everybody is jumping on the bandwagon and it will eventually reduce access for others, or come to fighting over space between rival PT's.
Thus a fee and the council running a booking sheet / authorised times strikes a balance betwen the needs of many and the profit of a few.

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