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japie
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Hiko
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28 Aug 2010 6:25am
We have just had a major pilot whale stranding in the north of
New Zealand Many locals were out there busting their gut in mid winter
in truly awful conditions trying to save them and only managed to save about 50%
It does make you wonder about human morality and how it can be diametrically
opposed from one area to another and even from one species to another
saltiest1
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28 Aug 2010 10:14pm
so whats the difference between dolphin / whale & cow? if they could be farmed id say go for it. tastes ok to me.
ginger pom
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28 Aug 2010 10:39pm
saltiest1 said...

so whats the difference between dolphin / whale & cow? if they could be farmed id say go for it. tastes ok to me.



intelligence

cows are actually used for their meat rather than to prop up dead traditions (Japan)

cows are actually farmed... dolphins aren't. Dolphins are negatively farmed - we take resources from them by overfishing

dolphins can do jumps
colinwill78
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29 Aug 2010 12:58am
ginger pom said...

saltiest1 said...

so whats the difference between dolphin / whale & cow? if they could be farmed id say go for it. tastes ok to me.



intelligence

cows are actually used for their meat rather than to prop up dead traditions (Japan)

cows are actually farmed... dolphins aren't. Dolphins are negatively farmed - we take resources from them by overfishing

dolphins can do jumps



you never read hey diddle diddle??
saltiest1
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29 Aug 2010 6:27am
ive got a few pets here and ive come to learn that they all are able to be trained in some way. even the rabbit is toilet trained. the fish know when its food time, chooks come when called so obviously they are not totally stupid (cats are not stupid, just overly arrogant)
just saying that i reckon that if they could be farmed, take away all the emotional attachment, marine mamals might be good for tucker.
GalahOnTheBay
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29 Aug 2010 4:03pm
ginger pom said...

dolphins can do jumps


So we should not eat "cool" animals? lol
oliver
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29 Aug 2010 3:02pm
I've always wondered what swan would tastes like, they look like they have a lot more meat on them than ducks. Anyone eaten a swan, any recipes you'd like to share?
ginger pom
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29 Aug 2010 7:01pm
polish barman in London told me swan was very nice.

Girlfriend's college had licence to serve it in the UK (only the Queen is allowed to eat normally) - but never did serve it
Hiko
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29 Aug 2010 5:09pm
Maoris and other pacific islanders were quite partial to humans too
Apparently Europeans werent so good though---- too salty
japie
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29 Aug 2010 7:38pm
The point I was trying to make is that we dump a **** load of criticism on the Japs for killing whales. In comparison they do it in a relatively humane fashion to what you see in those photos.

F@@@ing barbarians!

Swan should not taste much different from goose, I imagine, tough as old boots unless you get them really young. In England it is very common for river keepers to puncture the eggs to prevent them from hatching as they make a huge mess of the trout rivers.
saltiest1
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29 Aug 2010 7:39pm
Hiko said...

Maoris and other pacific islanders were quite partial to humans too
Apparently Europeans werent so good though---- too salty




taste like chicken.
japie
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29 Aug 2010 7:42pm
Hiko said...

Maoris and other pacific islanders were quite partial to humans too
Apparently Europeans werent so good though---- too salty


Watched a brilliant movie on Papua New Guinea a while back- cannibalism leads to the equivalent of mad cow disease if practised on a regular basis as they used to on deceased persons. As I recall it was only the women and kids who ate the meat.
ginger pom
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29 Aug 2010 7:44pm
doesn't it depend how it is used...

It isn't humane to kill animals if you don't eat them. I understand that whale meat isn't really eaten in japan - they try to give it to school kids to give them a taste for it, and it is used in pet food.

Also, it is against international law and the only way that they justify it is by claiming it is for scientific research..

Happy to be corrected by someone who uses words on the page rather than a seven minute youtube clip.
japie
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29 Aug 2010 8:23pm
ginger pom said...

doesn't it depend how it is used...

It isn't humane to kill animals if you don't eat them. I understand that whale meat isn't really eaten in japan - they try to give it to school kids to give them a taste for it, and it is used in pet food.

Also, it is against international law and the only way that they justify it is by claiming it is for scientific research..

Happy to be corrected by someone who uses words on the page rather than a seven minute youtube clip.


That is my understanding of their justification, that it is scientific. I would not be surprised if some goes to pet food but my understanding is that it is quite valuable as meat.

Industrial whaling was an absolute travesty, like the ivory trade. However I can understand that some societies used whale meat as a staple diet and one can empathise with their standpoint.

This ****e going on in Danish waters is just pure ****ing barbarism.

Fancy the outcry if an iron spike were used to pull cattle up the slaughter house ramp
theDoctor
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29 Aug 2010 8:41pm
well thats not far from the truth...

for chickens and pigs atleast.

i could use words on the page to satisfy ginger pomp intelectual ego,

but its probably more effective to show a peta youtube clip




Mark Twain was correct---humans are the lowest form of animal life on this planet.

In nature, pigs live for 15 years, but pigs on factory farms are sent to slaughter after just six months of life.23,24 To get the terrified pigs onto the transport trucks bound for the slaughterhouse, workers may beat them on their sensitive noses and backs or stick electric prods in their rectums. Crammed into 18-wheelers, pigs struggle to get air and are usually given no food or water for the entire journey (often hundreds of miles). A former pig transporter told PETA that pigs are "packed in so tight, their guts actually pop out their butts—a little softball of guts actually comes out."25 Pigs suffer from temperature extremes and are forced to inhale ammonia fumes and diesel exhaust.

According to a 2006 industry report, more than 1 million pigs die each year from the horrors of transport alone.26 Another industry report notes that, in some transport loads, as many as 10 percent of pigs are "downers," animals who are so ill or injured that they are unable to stand and walk on their own.27 Downer pigs have no protection from the most unthinkable cruelty: These sick and injured pigs will be kicked, struck with electric prods, and finally dragged off the trucks to their deaths.




Individualized veterinary care is considered too expensive, so sick and injured pigs are left to die or are killed.

Pigs are transported for hundreds of miles through all weather extremes to the slaughterhouse. One worker reports: "In the wintertime there are always hogs stuck to the sides and floors of the trucks. They [slaughterhouse workers] go in there with wires or knives and just cut or pry the hogs loose. The skin pulls right off. These hogs were alive when we did this."In her renowned book, Slaughterhouse, Gail Eisnitz writes: "When hogs arrive frozen at slaughterhouses—which is a common occurrence—their protections under the Humane Slaughter Act are mysteriously waived. Since they are of no value for human consumption, antemortem inspectors neither examine them nor make a decision as to their disposition. Nor are they provided shelter or promptly stunned. Instead they are left to fend for themselves until they die."
Hiko
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29 Aug 2010 7:08pm
We have a comedian over here in NZ who did ads for the pork industry
Some animal rights people invited him to come with them when they
broke into a pig farm at night and do some filming He went along wth them
and no longer advertises for the pork industry and has become an animal
welfare activist and promotes animal welfare on Television
He just had no idea what was going on, like most of us, even though he was promoting the product
There are some so called humans who are capable of unbelievable cruelty and are often held up as pillars of society
They need to be exposed wherever possible
japie
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29 Aug 2010 9:18pm
You get no arguments from me. I spent a lot of time in an abbattoir on the Murray.

If people woke up to the state of their food and this insane centralisation were exposed for what it is animals for the plate would be given the type of care they were given when they were valuable. The argument given by the organic farmer on the Food Inc movie gave a classic example of what our famers are capable of.

Next time you buy an uncooked chook in the supermarket from any of the big producers have a look at how all the exposed red meat has been bleached white by chlorine.

These things we eat are walking bacteria factories.

They do not live long enough to die because die they surely would if their life span were not so short.

Cattle registered increased heart rates on trucks approaching the Wodonga Abattoir simultaneously at distances varying by wind direction.

Often those cattle would wait up to three days before slaughter.

Not good Jan!
landyacht
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29 Aug 2010 8:41pm
my big problem with whaling is that humans have shown time and time again that we are just too greedy to "sustainably harvest" anything from the sea.
Whales are just too easy to wipe out . . If you get a chance, read a bokk entitled
"Whales and Man".
its a big read, about 1000 pages about the history of whaling.
as the book reaches the 20th century the sheer size of the slaughter gets mind boggling. I cant quote any of the figures , as somebody I lent my copy to , decided it was too good to give back, but I do recall , how the Japanese tradition of eating whale meat started in the 1920's when European whalers used to tow the bloated carcasses out to sea from the whaling stations on South Georgia to stop them rotting in the bay. The japanese came with freezer ships that they'd bought cheap from the Europeans and started proccessing the carcasses as a source of cheap meat . I think the blue whale kills for the season in 1929 were in the order of 20,000. i will check on that
evlPanda
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30 Aug 2010 11:39am
Whaling brought civilisation to the rest of the world, especially Australia/New Zealand.

At least that's what Herman Melville says.
landyacht
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30 Aug 2010 3:38pm
dont forget that when melville wrote moby dick they were still hunting with nantucket whaleboats , powered by oars, hand propelled harpoons,and lances.
i re-read the book last year and even the author acknowledges that they were overhunting many species to the point of extinction
actiomax
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30 Aug 2010 10:03pm
hey evlpanda just started reading typee i bought it from opshop 20c. I have already read moby dick.
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