Question for the techies re XP

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Mr Milk
Mr Milk
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9 Apr 2014 10:01pm
Shouldn't the protection fees that I've been paying to Norton keep me safe?
Carantoc
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9 Apr 2014 8:05pm
From what ?

obnoxious and sarcastic replies to your questions ?

it would appear not.
Mr Milk
Mr Milk
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9 Apr 2014 10:10pm
From the nasty people who put wildlife pictures on the 'net to attract my attention
FormulaNova
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9 Apr 2014 9:03pm
Mr Milk said..

Shouldn't the protection fees that I've been paying to Norton keep me safe?



No, not always. The Norton subscription tries to keep away the Malware and viruses that are trying to attack your machine, but there may be vulnerabilities in the actual code of XP that become known and are used by attackers to try and get access to your machine. As Windows is a huge bunch of code, there will be vulnerabilities that pop up every now and then and people rapidly learn how to use them.

I think in practical terms, if you only use it for browsing well-known sites, you should be pretty safe, but if there is a major vulnerability, you won't be protected. As everyone should, keep external backups of any data that you think is worth keeping, even if you have the latest version of Windows. You never know when your machine might break down.



Battle
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9 Apr 2014 9:36pm
Carantoc said..

From what ?

obnoxious and sarcastic replies to your questions ?

it would appear not.


Funniest post I've seen in a while! LOL... good one.
Mr Milk
Mr Milk
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10 Apr 2014 12:38am
FormulaNova said..


Mr Milk said..

Shouldn't the protection fees that I've been paying to Norton keep me safe?




No, not always. The Norton subscription tries to keep away the Malware and viruses that are trying to attack your machine, but there may be vulnerabilities in the actual code of XP that become known and are used by attackers to try and get access to your machine. As Windows is a huge bunch of code, there will be vulnerabilities that pop up every now and then and people rapidly learn how to use them.

I think in practical terms, if you only use it for browsing well-known sites, you should be pretty safe, but if there is a major vulnerability, you won't be protected. As everyone should, keep external backups of any data that you think is worth keeping, even if you have the latest version of Windows. You never know when your machine might break down.





But surely any major holes would have been found long ago
FormulaNova
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10 Apr 2014 6:53am
Mr Milk said..

FormulaNova said..


Mr Milk said..

Shouldn't the protection fees that I've been paying to Norton keep me safe?




No, not always. The Norton subscription tries to keep away the Malware and viruses that are trying to attack your machine, but there may be vulnerabilities in the actual code of XP that become known and are used by attackers to try and get access to your machine. As Windows is a huge bunch of code, there will be vulnerabilities that pop up every now and then and people rapidly learn how to use them.

I think in practical terms, if you only use it for browsing well-known sites, you should be pretty safe, but if there is a major vulnerability, you won't be protected. As everyone should, keep external backups of any data that you think is worth keeping, even if you have the latest version of Windows. You never know when your machine might break down.





But surely any major holes would have been found long ago



No, sometimes people come across a vulnerability that exists in later versions of windows and because of a shared code base it exists in older versions as well. These aren't generally problems that break a PC under normal use, these are problems that someone can exploit by doing something clever and getting the PC to do something its not supposed to.

So, its quite possible for someone to discover something that is an exploit for Windows 8 and find that it applies to all versions of Windows back to Win 95. Possible, but not likely.

evlPanda
evlPanda
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10 Apr 2014 4:38pm
What would you hate to lose? Keep that backed up regularly.

Are you of any value to a hacker? Do you have plans for nuclear submarines on your PC? Are you a CEO or similar?

Assuming not, and you're backed up, then you probably have very little to worry about.

I'm not familiar with any malware for example that can install itself through a browser, and then use it to gain access to your banking. I'm sure it exists but it's not common. I've never heard of anybody having this done to them.

If people want to rip you off they steal your identity by going through your mailbox. It's much easier.
I personally know a few people that this happened to. Had credit cards in their name they weren't aware of.
slammin
slammin
QLD
998 posts
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10 Apr 2014 7:46pm
I was surprised to learn that XP is used for many ATM machines. Guess they'll go Linux?
gibberjoe
gibberjoe
SA
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10 Apr 2014 7:41pm

obvious dear breezers XP = x partner = divorce
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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10 Apr 2014 6:21pm
slammin said..

I was surprised to learn that XP is used for many ATM machines. Guess they'll go Linux?



XP or CE? I think there have been cut-down versions of Windows to use in embedded applications for a while now. I think they carry different names, and probably have different support structures. I think with the nature of these devices, you shouldn't need updates, and they shouldn't be generally accessible via the internet.

slammin
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10 Apr 2014 8:41pm
FormulaNova said..

slammin said..

I was surprised to learn that XP is used for many ATM machines. Guess they'll go Linux?



XP or CE? I think there have been cut-down versions of Windows to use in embedded applications for a while now. I think they carry different names, and probably have different support structures. I think with the nature of these devices, you shouldn't need updates, and they shouldn't be generally accessible via the internet.



That's what I heard on the ABC Radio by the techie. Definitely XP for many ATM's. It was core to their detailed report about MS's announcement.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
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10 Apr 2014 7:30pm
slammin said..

FormulaNova said..

slammin said..

I was surprised to learn that XP is used for many ATM machines. Guess they'll go Linux?



XP or CE? I think there have been cut-down versions of Windows to use in embedded applications for a while now. I think they carry different names, and probably have different support structures. I think with the nature of these devices, you shouldn't need updates, and they shouldn't be generally accessible via the internet.



That's what I heard on the ABC Radio by the techie. Definitely XP for many ATM's. It was core to their detailed report about MS's announcement.



Wow, XP! I guess if they have some sort of GUI then maybe XP does the job.

I know years ago when cityrail brought in their video station displays, I shuddered when I saw a few that didn't boot up properly, and were showing the Windows NT startup screen... oh well, it must work.

GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
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10 Apr 2014 9:06pm
Mr Milk said..

Shouldn't the protection fees that I've been paying to Norton keep me safe?


Nothing is fail safe...
but Mr Milk...doesn't your computer run like a slug with the combination of XP and Norton?
Subsonic
Subsonic
WA
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10 Apr 2014 10:17pm
GypsyDrifter said...
Mr Milk said..

Shouldn't the protection fees that I've been paying to Norton keep me safe?


Nothing is fail safe...
but Mr Milk...doesn't your computer run like a slug with the combination of XP and Norton?


I think I had Norton for about 3 months before I figured out it was slowing my PC down so much, it practically is a virus.
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
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10 Apr 2014 10:55pm
Trend Micro is a better choice with XP

XP 64 bit and Nortons is not a mover and shaker either

or if you don't surf dodgy sites AVG free + Malwarebytes will do

But getting Nortons off of a PC can be a long winded job as well
fcalmon
fcalmon
QLD
165 posts
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12 Apr 2014 5:14pm
Norton is a plague.... Get rid of it
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