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poor relative
poor relative
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16 Dec 2008 8:53am
There is an increase of late the number of women willing to shake your hand. To me it feels wrong and somewhat confronting. Then I feel vaguely sexist for thinking that way.

However, what I think is happening is that as the status of women in society rises to that of equality, women are beginning to shake hands with the mindset of, "Men shake hands with men, Men and women are equal, therefore men should shake hands with women". I think this is a little misguided. You can have equality while still retaining sex-specific practices.

The whole situation confuses me though.

Any thoughts?
elmo
elmo
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16 Dec 2008 9:56am
Shake their hand if they offer it, just don't crush it.

The one which freaks me nowadays is the hug and kiss social intro, I'm to straight laced an old fashioned, it really does rattle my cage
Richiefish
Richiefish
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16 Dec 2008 11:00am
kiss their ring ??? (too Catholic ???)
colinwill78
colinwill78
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16 Dec 2008 12:30pm
I'm cool with shaking womens hands as long as they don't crush me.

kiss kiss hug hug...... not for me.
OceanBlue64
OceanBlue64
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16 Dec 2008 1:14pm
I always look for their approach first. If they start to extend hand then I shake it or if they lean cheek forward its a pretty good indication they want to do the cheek/air kiss thing. Doesnt bother me either way really. It sure beats them recoiling in horror
sausage
sausage
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16 Dec 2008 12:43pm
Maybe Smooch could offer some etiquitte tips for us socially inept males.

Edit - Since she's the doyen of good taste.
555
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16 Dec 2008 12:12pm
It's all too confusing.. Just stare at the ground, shuffle your feet and appear uncomfortable. They'll eventually go away.

One of my friends at Uni would refuse to walk through a door if it was opened and held for her. If the person opening it walked through first, that was okay, but if they did the 'gentlemanly' thing, and opened it to allow her to walk through first....

Quite funny to watch the standoff at times! Her theory was that it demeaned women to have the door opened for them - they're quite able to do it for themselves.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
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16 Dec 2008 12:18pm
I'm confused .. Are women allowed out of the house now????????
getfunky
getfunky
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16 Dec 2008 12:25pm
Ha ha - I have no probs shaking a lasses hand (and usually do) but at a BBQ the other night I copped a hand crusher from a chicky! You know the one where you don't stand a chance cause they (unfairly) grab your fingers - not your hand as such..

Was ok in the end though - she opened the door for me later.

The "Mwahh mwahhh darling" has definately gone from strength to strength of recent times. All good with the stunners but my sis in-law likes to plant em nice n juicy on the lips!! Bit much for me, and if there is ever any tongues I am tellin wifey for sure!


To me it feels wrong and somewhat confronting. Then I feel vaguely sexist for thinking that way.


As for feeling vaguely sexist. Nothing is ever done well by halves - go the grope while your at it and really make a day of it!
elizabethb
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16 Dec 2008 1:26pm
Rellie, I think you have a very good point behind your situation.

I sometimes don’t understand the mindset of some woman who see that woman should shake hands with woman; UNLESS on a business basis or introduction.

I will always, when meeting parents for the first time, new work colleagues, or business associates, extend my hand to theirs; male or otherwise. I don’t however, feel that there is any need, nor pressure that as males shake hands with other males, that it is necessary for woman to do the same with other woman.

However, I am certain Smooch will enlighten us all on how I should be behaving as a ‘fellow’ female….
poor relative
poor relative
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16 Dec 2008 1:45pm
The women handshake when done is generally loose and well not satisfying, however when a woman gives a firm handshake followed by direct eye contact, well thats just un-nerving.

What would be a correct woman handshake?
elizabethb
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16 Dec 2008 2:51pm
Rellie, when I shake hands with a male/ another, I always firmly shake hands (not choke their fingers or go the soft handshake) and make eye contact for a split/ few seconds; but the way you put it, sounds like it was a very strange/ unusual encounter.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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16 Dec 2008 2:02pm
Relli:

Use your middle finger to tickle the inside of their wrist and make lots of eye contact with a big smile. Might get a few less handshakes then
colinwill78
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16 Dec 2008 5:14pm
Mark _australia said...

Relli:

Use your middle finger to tickle the inside of their wrist and make lots of eye contact with a big smile. Might get a few less handshakes then


Radman
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16 Dec 2008 5:32pm
theres only 1 thing weomen should shake and not stop till it erupts.
drstrange
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16 Dec 2008 6:04pm
Best way to shake a woman's hand in a business context?
evlPanda
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16 Dec 2008 11:14pm
I think everybody should bow.

I also think shaking women's hands is only for a business context.
MintoxGT
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16 Dec 2008 9:21pm
poor relative said...

There is an increase of late the number of women willing to shake your hand. To me it feels wrong and somewhat confronting. Then I feel vaguely sexist for thinking that way.

However, what I think is happening is that as the status of women in society rises to that of equality, women are beginning to shake hands with the mindset of, "Men shake hands with men, Men and women are equal, therefore men should shake hands with women". I think this is a little misguided. You can have equality while still retaining sex-specific practices.

The whole situation confuses me though.

Any thoughts?


Shake hand first then fondle breast second
greenleader
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16 Dec 2008 11:30pm
me, well i'm far more disturbed by the number of flaccid, limp male handshakes that occur these days.

a firm womans handshake with strong eye contact.......hmmmm, woof woof baby.

not that i could handle such a woman.
elizabethb
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16 Dec 2008 11:47pm
Mark _australia said...

Relli:

Use your middle finger to tickle the inside of their wrist and make lots of eye contact with a big smile. Might get a few less handshakes then


Mark...

You and me later!? try that one out... lol
decrepit
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16 Dec 2008 10:54pm
Liz, I can just see you loading your handbag with lead.
surfinchick
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16 Dec 2008 10:55pm
There is nothing worse than a man who shakes hands like a pussy...you know, just gently holds the ends of your fingers with a limp wrist. It immediately turns me off the guy, whether the shake was in a business or social scene. To me it signifies that I am inferior to him, fragile or something, so he has to be delicate with my poor little hand.
I like receiving and giving a firm handshake (). It shows that we are on equal footing for the relationship/transaction or whatever to progress.
So Reli, I reckon it does have to do with the rise of the status of women, as you identified. But don't worry or get confused by it, just use it as part of analysing the personality of the person you are greeting.

Dawn Patrol
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17 Dec 2008 1:28am
I have no problems shakin hands. I just offer the shake as if they were a guy. Noone has freaked out or anything.
It's the weak handshakes that get me. Im not a large person, and have small hands, but some people put no effort into it. As soon as that happens i just think "loser cant even handshake properly".
ka43
ka43
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17 Dec 2008 9:57am
Im with Greeny on this one. Shaking hands with women is such the norm these days I dont even think about it. Moderate pressure and eye contact.
But its the wet fish/ gaylord shakes from blokes that freak me out.
Just this morning I met a rep and it was like grabbing hold of a dead fish.
You go to grasp firmly etc and all you get is a wimpish grab.
I was taught by my dad and other men that you do it like you mean it. A solid grip and eye contact and dont make it a contest to see if you can break the other blokes hand.
Bloody metro sexuals etc these days.
Not that theres anything wrong with that
stribo
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17 Dec 2008 9:15am
When you shake hands with a women you should give a firm grip (but not quite as firm as you would another male) and only one shake.Thats only if she offers her hand.

As mentioned before what is with the dead fish handshakes from many blokes these days It makes me wanna vomit peanuts and corn.Immediatly i go the crush on these limpo's.What does it mean ? are they submitting to you? like a dog when it meets a fearcer male and rolls onto its back?
Harden up you blokes if ya wanna shake my hand make it a good one.
I'm not talking about a hand crushing competition just an equal pressure manly handshake geeeeeze...Didn't your father teach you anything?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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17 Dec 2008 8:19am
elizabethb said...

Mark _australia said...

Relli:

Use your middle finger to tickle the inside of their wrist and make lots of eye contact with a big smile. Might get a few less handshakes then


Mark...

You and me later!? try that one out... lol




getfunky
getfunky
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17 Dec 2008 11:17am
Dawn Patrol said...

I have no problems shakin hands. I just offer the shake as if they were a guy. Noone has freaked out or anything.
It's the weak handshakes that get me. Im not a large person, and have small hands, but some people put no effort into it. As soon as that happens i just think "loser cant even handshake properly".


True

On the flipside is those 'short men trapped in normal sized boddies' who overcompensate in the handshake and attempt to crush your hand. No - i am not a limp fish but neither am i attempting to excert my dominance over anyone via a hand cruncher. Without doubt each tosser that I have met that tries the crusher has turned out to be a totally insecure k-nob.

Firm = ok

Crusher = get a life (or penis extension)
evlPanda
evlPanda
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17 Dec 2008 1:29pm
greenleader said...

me, well i'm far more disturbed by the number of flaccid, limp male handshakes that occur these days.


What is the protocol?:

You have been stuck out back in a lull for 10 minutes, desperately trying to waterstart. When you finally make it back through the shorebreak you've got to walk your kit about 100m up-wind. You've just made it back to starting point, completely exhausted, when someone introduces you to another windsurfer.

You make the shake, but while grasping realise that you have the strength of a poor, unwanted Christmas kitten.

555
555
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17 Dec 2008 11:54am
The subtlety of the handshake..
It goes beyond the crush/dead fish, there's another dimension that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned yet.

There's the rotation aspect - without crushing, if you rotate your hand so it is on top, then you signify that you think you're superior. If you're soft and let your hand go under, then they're probably right.

If, instead, you rotate purposefully so that your hand is on the bottom (leaving no doubt that YOU did it, not them) then everyone wins. Your initiation of the turn gives you decisiveness and strength, and the fact that you have placed the other person above yourself is very respectful.

If the other person matches you in trying to rotate so your hand is above theirs, then you have a pretty reasonable measure of each other.

Of course, the speed, control and degree of the rotation leave plenty of room for personal expression. And, as a bonus, if it's a lady who's hand you're shaking, you're then in the perfect position to go for that lingering and soulful finger kiss (if appropriate)

Nothing worse than the crash shake though - you know the one where the other person is so keen that they smash the webbing of their thumb into yours. I can usually pick the crushers before the event, and match them. I'd never initiate a crush shake though - it's a bit too red-neck for my liking.

Anyone figured out the Masonic secret handshake yet?
surfingboyo
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17 Dec 2008 10:36pm
top advise for the socially challenged...



lol
surfingboyo
surfingboyo
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17 Dec 2008 10:41pm
and never do what this guy does.
not cool

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