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Macroscien
Macroscien
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20 Jun 2013 12:39pm
Because I use shipping company for bread and butter ( I need to send my goods across Australia ) to my clients
the new internal regulation inside my favorite so fax E-go courier scary me to death.

Request for all packages above 25 kg to be put on separate pallet and then scanned for freight costing accordingly.




This is example of the industrial skate ( quite a heavy stuff about 30 kg each or more). Send one pack 20 cm and I could be charged 120 x 120 x 220 cm - mean whole pallet plus air above!


This is another example where the simple tool 100 kg in weight is put on the pallet and charge blown up to 1200 cu kg.
Obviously the shipping must be born by a client , but will you pay for such extortion on 2000 km trip ?

sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
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20 Jun 2013 11:14am
Why are you using the standard sized 1200 x 1200 pallet for such a small parcel?

I have been driving trucks for a company that picks up and delivers what are called "hotshot" deliveries to destinations all over Australia.
These are short notice deliveries, usually of parts needed for breakdown repairs on minesites etc.

A small carton like the one you show should be on a much smaller pallet- as long as the tines of the forklift can fit underneath its ok, and since the tines can be closed together so they are around 300mm width in total, that means you can have a miniature pallet with a width of around 400mm [allowing for 50mm for each side member of the pallet]

If you are being told to use standard size industrial pallets for such small sized loads, you should find another carrier.

I would be finding a bunch of better sized pallets if I was you, and keeping them handy for jobs like this.

However,

A tall and unbalanced load like your second photo may need the larger pallet so it can be strapped down for stability during transport.
You are also being charged for the height of the load- as it will occupy more space in the truck carrying it.

If a driver suspects the load may be improperly packaged, he is not supposed to accept it- as once he signs for it, any damage caused by improper packaging and subsequent injuries, insurance claims and paperwork will cause him [and his boss] no end of strife.

I have often taken single item loads [many smaller than your carton] from Perth to Kalgoorlie, Leonora, Dampier, Newman, Bunbury, Broome etc- with a 6 or 8 tonne truck to carry it.
One of our 8 tonners took an envelope with 2 fuses from Jandakot airport..........to Darwin airport! I wouldnt want to know what the bill was for that trip [2 drivers, going non stop]

stephen
Macroscien
Macroscien
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20 Jun 2013 1:41pm
sn said..

However,

A tall and unbalanced load like your second photo may need the larger pallet so it can be strapped down for stability during transport.
You are also being charged for the height of the load- as it will occupy more space in the truck carrying it.

stephen


A standard practice with that high stacker so far was shipping using its own wheels to roll it on the tail lift , strap to side of the track.
I paid 5 times cubic weight over standard weight plus $132 for tail lift. Everybody happy. Even customers from your Perth and Tasmania or Adelaide happy to pay for shipping from Queensland.
But new invention increase the charge to 12 x by measuring the internally provided pallets ( not even mine).
That mean that customer pay for 1200 cubic kg for the item 100 kg ( heavy and compact not at hot air baloon or feather bag that consume space but doesn't weight much)
This is possibly answer why now 8 tones trucks are going on empty carrying envelope only.

There is limit how much the best gold mine or automaker is willing to pay for shipping components and tools. They may opt ( and do - look Ford) to close the shop here. For comparison shipping 20 tones steel inside China from one manufacturer to another 360 km apart cost me $82 recently.
sn
sn
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sn sn
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20 Jun 2013 12:57pm
Macroscien said..

This is possibly answer why now 8 tones trucks are going on empty carrying envelope only.

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Almost all our deliveries are emergency breakdown related- and there is no expense spared to get the items delivered on time.

A 6 tonner with 2 drivers can go non stop from pick up to delivery point [my truck could get from Perth to Port Augusta in S.A. before refuelling]

Travelling at the speed limit, mostly of 110KPH [but slower if road conditions and stray animals dictate] only pausing for dunny breaks and swapping drivers.
A 6 tonner does not need to keep federal transport log books- only our own company logs which the various police and transport inspectors have no need to inspect.

If the truck is any larger than ours, it has to comply with lower speed limits and keep very accurate federal log books for the drivers.

Being smaller/ faster we can get to distant sites much quicker than the big fellas.
When a mining company or industrial concern are unable to fullfill mandatory contracts worth millions of dollars, because for example, a part the size of your fist has failed - they dont care about the cost of freight.

I once took an 80kg hydraulic ram to Dampier at a cost of over $6500 in freight- driving through the night in a ruddy awefull storm, but without the ram, they would have lost a huge contract and have to pay rather nasty penalties.

However- on the way home, its usually all pressure off and take it easier.

Every now and then I can find a backload on the way home to Perth for the boss- which makes him very happy!

stephen

TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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20 Jun 2013 1:18pm
We had a good one where an envelope of seals was flown in from Germany to Perth then on a small charter plane to Exmouth arriving at night so the airport was opened just for this plane where I met it with a 12t hiab truck to load onto a waiting boat to take out to the rig. The boat took over 6 hours (so becomes a 12 hour shift)due to bad weather to be told it's the wrong seal.
Macroscien
Macroscien
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20 Jun 2013 3:52pm
sn said..

I once took an 80kg hydraulic ram to Dampier at a cost of over $6500 in freight- driving through the night in a ruddy awefull storm, but without the ram, they would have lost a huge contract and have to pay rather nasty penalties.


If the weather is fine , and the load small you could ask company for nice 600-900 cc bike. Twice as quick and more fun to ride.


80 kg ram on should fit also on your bike
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
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20 Jun 2013 8:55pm
drove 600kms with a relay on a sunday night. they stuck in the compressor,hit the start button, blew it and said "well thats not the problem.'
i then had to drive back due to not being inducted for the mine!!!
on the way home at 3.00am hit a wild donkey on a bridge. about $6000 damage. customer wouldnt pay the bill as it was not the part they needed.
that was when i decided a new career was in order
ive recently been sending stuff all over Aus and put all my stuff on a small custom pallets and only pay the volume of the package . no problem so far. everything done over the internet, Ive never yet met the pickup or delivery drivers
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
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20 Jun 2013 9:54pm
landyacht said...
drove 600kms with a relay on a sunday night. they stuck in the compressor,hit the start button, blew it and said "well thats not the problem.'
i then had to drive back due to not being inducted for the mine!!!
on the way home at 3.00am hit a wild donkey on a bridge. about $6000 damage. customer wouldnt pay the bill as it was not the part they needed.
Obviously it was repair via NPF ( New Parts Fit) until they resolved issue. Bloody p1sses me off big time when trades use that process.
Be intersting to see what the minesite policy was to say "nar ya cant stay mate, no induction" then let you head back dog tired, end result accident, which could have resulted in a tragedy.
Worksafe WA would be very impressed "NOT" if they found out the site cared little for your well being.[V
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
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21 Jun 2013 12:08am
sounds like the private sector is up there competing with the public sector on how to waste money
Macroscien
Macroscien
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23 Jun 2013 12:40pm
There could be good opportunity for somebody to create online database - reverse auction for services.
For example shipping across Australia.
I will post my add on similar to EBay site: Looking for shipping Gold Coast - Sydney 350 kg item dimension xxx, picture.
Shippers could review and pickup
Automated screening by couriers also could just allow to automate whole process in order to fill in tracks on specific route.
For example they have truck going Brisbane to Melbourne and 10 m3 free -then they could fill in space, get extra income.
Another example : You are going from Adelaide to Perth and have some room left in your van or ute. You could find item waiting for shipping online, agree condition , get extra income.
And the last example: You need to get some cash fast . You search for few orders online, hire a track, get all packs together and deliver, cash in for your work.
Obviously each such drivers has track record in feedback so fly by night crooks could be eliminated.

I saw similar web site in Europe working very well. When I decided to renovate grandpa bathroom I just posted specs of job required, location and next day have several offers from local tilers with prices, few plumbers to do installation, some others could organize all work A to Z.

Want your grass moved ? Just post online add, local tradies review and post access to do the job. You don't have to choose also base on the lower prices but on review and feedback track of jobs done. You don't want in fact to rip and redo plumber or tilers job screwed up.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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23 Jun 2013 9:42pm
I use courierquotes.com? from memory. usually gets around 6 prices and the price variations can be amazing
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
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WA, 3271 posts
23 Jun 2013 10:18pm
Anyone read the article in Saturdays West about the freight company that just custom fit a van, big Mercedes Sprinter type thing for two-up express driving of critical parts statewide. It addressed the issues mentioned above about sending a 6 or 8 ton truck to deliver a 60 kg part. It seemed pretty generous with maybe half the load space given over to amenities for the second driver. Some of the mines must pay a bloody fortune to keep production downtime to a minimum.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
23 Jun 2013 11:38pm
Chris6791 said..

Anyone read the article in Saturdays West about the freight company that just custom fit a van, big Mercedes Sprinter type thing for two-up express driving of critical parts statewide. It addressed the issues mentioned above about sending a 6 or 8 ton truck to deliver a 60 kg part. It seemed pretty generous with maybe half the load space given over to amenities for the second driver. Some of the mines must pay a bloody fortune to keep production downtime to a minimum.


what I would love to know is how they can two-up drivers when everyone needs to wear a seat belt
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
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WA, 3271 posts
24 Jun 2013 1:34am
There used to be a policy where the seatbelt on the second driver wasn't enforced if he was in the bunk resting, I think it's still in place? The logic being fatigue management for that scenario is better at avoiding crashes than a seatbelt is at minimising injury during a crash.
Macroscien
Macroscien
QLD
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24 Jun 2013 10:30am
Couldn't they use drones to supply mines with urgent but small critical supplies? If they could carry hell fire missile they should be able to carry 80 kg hydraulic ram to mining sites .

or pizza
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
24 Jun 2013 11:50am
regarding "two-up driving"

The relevant ADR is written something along the lines of this:

The sleeping area must be designed and constructed so as to prevent the occupant from being dislodged during sudden decelleration.
The ADR also dictates minimum standards for length, width, height, ventilation, access etc of the sleeping compartment.
Some trucks have the sleeping area fitted with a pair of seatbelts- as a rule of thumb, one passes across your knees, the other across your chest.

The main reason the company I work for use 6 tonners instead of smaller vans is survivability if [when] you hit kangaroos.
For example, one stretch of bitumen prior to turning off towards Innaminka, my co-driver hit over 30 roos in a few hours. Try that in a tarted up Sprinter!
Once we were off the bitumen and on the dirt road, it was that rough we ended up snapping the straps holding a fuel tank in place- easy fix using ratchet straps to get us to the oil drilling site where they fixed the truck, but a Sprinter or van would never have made it through.
There are similar roads all over W.A. that dictate big and sturdy to survive the trip there and back- not cheaper to run, so the beancounter gets a bigger bonus.

Recently, one of our crews were fined for failing to wear a seatbelt, the co-driver refused to wear a belt- sleeping in the passenger seat.
The driver copped the fine, and double demerits [public holiday] as he is responsible for the actions of the passenger.
not sure if the co-driver was fined or not.

stephen.

laurie
laurie
QLD
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24 Jun 2013 7:11pm
TurtleHunter said..

We had a good one where an envelope of seals was flown in from Germany to Perth then on a small charter plane to Exmouth arriving at night so the airport was opened just for this plane where I met it with a 12t hiab truck to load onto a waiting boat to take out to the rig. The boat took over 6 hours (so becomes a 12 hour shift)due to bad weather to be told it's the wrong seal.



That's the thing with seals.

People often get confused between a Harp Seal, a Harbour Seal & a Grey Seal.



(Sorry .. couldn't resist )
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