Simple interest rate indicator

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CMC
CMC
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CMC CMC
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15 Aug 2011 9:06am
An old friend of mine works for a major bank.

He told me if you ever wanted to know which way interest rates were heading just take a look at the fixed rates. Simply, if they are higher than the variable it is heading up, lower they are coming down. Simple economics on the banks behalf, they want to tie you into something that makes them more money.

I note many banks are now lower fixed term than variable.


Your opinion on this?
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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WA, 9106 posts
15 Aug 2011 7:56am
I have a magic octopus in a tank in my spare room that can predict the future.
Thus far he has been 86.3% right.
SomeOtherGuy
SomeOtherGuy
NSW
807 posts
NSW, 807 posts
15 Aug 2011 10:02am
It makes sense, CMC. The fixed rate does reflect the bank's forecast of the variable rate over the longer term. There's always a chance the banks could get it wrong but they'd probably be pretty close to the mark most of the time.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
15 Aug 2011 10:47am
Yes - kinda, but the rates move slightly differently up versus down.

Banks always price for what they see as the future, to ensure they keep making money. So if anything they set the rates higher than what they think, particularly as they price further out. [}:)]

In a falling market, banks will delay dropping the fixed interest rates to maximise profit. But if you see a fixed interest rate cut you can be sure that the rate they have predicted will actually be lower than their offered fixed rate.

In a rising market you can be sure that the offered rate will be ratcheted up more frequently and to a number that is higher than what they predict to make sure they maximise profit.

Also keep an eye on how the rate changes based on the length of the loan, but keep in mind the above...

www.commbank.com.au/home-loans/fixed-rate.html

Think of a bank as a casino, the odds are always tipped in their favour
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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NSW, 9029 posts
15 Aug 2011 11:48am
Rates appear to be dropping which is good. Whats the deal with switching homeloans now? I have a mortgage with the CSB. Since I've had it interest has gone up a bit and it costs be a couple of hundred extra a month in interest.

So if I could get it back to where it was I'd pay off the loan a lot quicker. Perhaps a strategy is to go around to the different banks and ask what their best rate is. Then go back to the one you have and see if they will match it.

I signed up for the Choice group buy homeloan thingo but haven't heard anything since. It would be great if they could bundle up a couple of thousand mortgages and group buy down to a lower interest rate.

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23682 posts
WA, 23682 posts
15 Aug 2011 1:27pm
poor relative said...

I have a magic octopus in a tank in my spare room that can predict the future.
Thus far he has been 86.3% right.



Do you lick the magic octopus and then you see the future, or does it just tell you in your long chats together?
I think cane toads are good for the first option.
Octopi are better for the second as they are real conversationalists, as you'd know
Skid
Skid
QLD
1499 posts
QLD, 1499 posts
15 Aug 2011 8:04pm
Mobydisc said...

.... Perhaps a strategy is to go around to the different banks and ask what their best rate is. Then go back to the one you have and see if they will match it.
....


Moby, if you do this, also check out the fees and make sure you let your bank know you have done your homework.
I once used a similar approach when I was in a fixed rate loan and rates went down. Did my homework on various options, then made an appointment to see the manager of my bank and explained my position.... "I would prefer not to change banks, but if I can save a few hundred dollars by filling out forms for an hour or so then it is a good hourly rate for my time. This is your chance to keep my business."
Once he realised I had done my sums (and with a bit of gentle coaxing) he cut me a deal that worked for me.
Good luck
Skid
Skid
QLD
1499 posts
QLD, 1499 posts
15 Aug 2011 8:07pm
Oh, and by the way, CMC, PR and GOTB are all right...

You can look at the rates to get an idea of what the bank's magic octopus is predicting, but the bank will still squeeze or stretch the timing to maximise profits...
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