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evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
5 Aug 2013 1:02pm
/Snowboarding.

So I went snowboarding last week with the family. It was the first time, and here's what I've found:

- Stay as close to the ski fields as possible. We stayed outside 20 minutes which was a real pain when one of the kids got sick. Staying at the fields themselves means you can all go your separate ways easily, and don't have to organise everything around one car. It also makes dinner so much easier, and all the other little things.

- It's winter, kids get sick. Of course one of my kids got a fever a couple of days before we left (I myself was very sick the week before/unrelated), and she missed out on 1 of the 3 days planned for skiing. Which meant somebody had to stay behind to look after her. Fun, fun, fun.

- It's painful. Next time I'm definitely getting a helmet and probably wrist guards too. I picked snowboarding and while I only had one serious crash after falling on your hands for the umteenth time your wrist, elbows and shoulders really start to hurt. Each consecutive fall makes it worse, no matter how small, and this gets annoying very, very quickly. I also caught an edge while cutting across some ice and fell back onto my head pretty damn hard. Semi conscious for a while there. My other hobby is Muay Thai so I've something to compare it to. It's painful! I hurt myself far more in three days than I have ever done windsurfing in total.

- It's painful. Accommodation is sickeningly expensive, so much so that when I first got to our room I figured there had been a mistake and went looking for the hotel next door that had a similar name. Four nights accommodation for a family of four was ~$2000, and there wasn't much else to choose from that was any cheaper. This was just a basic bed and shower. There was room for a single chair. I'm told there's better value to be had if you share something larger with another family. I paid $4 for 200ml of water, and $7 for a pie. Wedges were $7 too.

- Kids love it. We were at Thredbo and I put the kids into the Snowland thingy. They take them from 9 - 4, feed them and everything. Excellent teachers, I really don't know how they do it or where they get the energy from. Amazing. I think it was $150/day which included gear and lift passes. My oldest, 7, could snowboard down Friday Flats without falling by the end of the 3rd day.

- Getting there sucks. A day's drive each way from Sydney.


Overall I think the cost/fun ratio is very poor when compared to windsurfing or surfing or whatever, howeverI was brave enough on my first afternoon to try some green runs up near Merrits and I can see the attraction; it was blue skies, no wind, and no crowds and pretty stunning. Had some nice runs until I had to come back down via a blue run (high noon) and I ended up walking most of it. To me it looked like one of those Olympic ski jumps. Scary. : D. We had some nice powder on the last day and that was totally different to the slush and ice. Maybe I just need more powder (I'm looking at you Japan)?

Overall I'm not sure the pain, both physical and financial, was worth it. Am I missing something? It was good, but ...ouch.

myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6159 posts
QLD, 6159 posts
5 Aug 2013 1:13pm
hahaha noob
a good place for total noobs/ kids is selwyn. cheaper cos the whole park is a beginners area.
there are cheaper accomodation options. For nsw Jindabyne and driving up is ok. For hotham you can stay down the road at whatsisname (15 minute free shuttle away) although hotham not as expensive to stay. I agree on mountin is the go. just have to shop around. If you drive the only way to go is 4wd. messing around with chains sucks.
Thredbo suffers cos it's a bit low (poor snow cover)and its very expensive.
but once you get better you may find your hard earned is best spent somewhere where snow is more reliable. Australia not much difference to NZ or japan in price and you have a far better chance of better snow (japan esp)
learning to snowboard in poor snow/ ice is painfull when you fall (skiing dont fall quite so much). If you have quality snow it's much better.
Wristguards are good. I still wear them and i'm awesome :)
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
5 Aug 2013 1:17pm
I've been snowboarding once, in Japan. We went to a ski field on the main island, in the middle where its very mountainous. I too found snowboarding to be very painful. Its fun to board but not fun hitting hard snow. I went to Japan when our dollar would buy just under 100 yen so it was easy to do price comparisions. I think the accomodation for five days cost me about $1500 for the two of us. This included an excellent Japanese breakfast and dinner every night. There was a vending machine in the place selling big cans of beer for about $4. Where we stayed was a short walk to the ski lifts. It cost $30 a day for a lift pass. We went there in late February and there was heaps of snow. The snow was about two meters deep. I think the gear hire was reasonably cheap, about $200 for a few days for two of us.

It took half a day by bus to get there from Tokyo, passing Mount Fuji. I think it cost about $800 for return airfares. So in all it was not too expensive compared to Australian skiing.

In the end I wish we had gone on a windsurfing holiday to somewhere warm and windy. I don't think I'll go on another ski/snowboard holiday.



Wollemi
Wollemi
NSW
350 posts
NSW, 350 posts
5 Aug 2013 2:46pm
evlPanda said..

Overall I think the cost/fun ratio is very poor when compared to windsurfing or surfing or whatever, howeverI was brave enough on my first afternoon to try some green runs up near Merrits and I can see the attraction; it was blue skies, no wind, and no crowds and pretty stunning. Had some nice runs until I had to come back down via a blue run (high noon) and I ended up walking most of it. To me it looked like one of those Olympic ski jumps. Scary. : D. We had some nice powder on the last day and that was totally different to the slush and ice. Maybe I just need more powder (I'm looking at you Japan)?

Overall I'm not sure the pain, both physical and financial, was worth it. Am I missing something? It was good, but ...ouch.



I learnt to cross-country ski with a bush-walking club. I later joined the Nordic Ski Club (NSW). Normally XC is taught around the car park at Perisher prior to a tour together up to the Porcupine (modest granite rock outcrop/formations). Later I found out that even many affluent people tend to sleep roadside/at lookouts/at Island Bend prior to being ready to set out on an overnighter or hut-to-hut day trip from Guthega. I still cherish this stuff. It isn't all about speed and queues.

More recently I have been in Alpine-Touring, putting skins on the base of the skis to 'walk' up mountains in NZ prior to removing said skins and skiing back to one of the many club fields such as Broken River in the Canterbury Region. About $270 for a week, covering all meals... trick is there is no lifts, just quad-burning high-speed rope-tows.

I have also tele-skiied into Blue Lake (N of Charlottes Pass) with a 28kg pack to ice-climb...

Perisher and Thredbo are both 95km from Cooma. Staying as close as you can is good, but not the end-all. I have stayed in Dalgety... to see emus and abandoned sheep-shearing sheds daily on the drive up seemed part of the experience. And stayed in a caravan at Adaminaby - for $20 per night. Caravans (made of metal) are cold!

Best resource is here;

www.ski.com.au/xf/

All of your comments;
- from pain (did you take adult lessons?)
- accommodation (why didn't you have them email you pics of the accommodation? Also appreciate that the accommodation isn't used for 7 full months of the year)
- the drive (most [BC, ie., back-country] skiiers drive down straight after work)
- sickness in the family

...have been mentioned on ski.com.au many times. Perhaps do a search there.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
5 Aug 2013 4:23pm
I have a mate that snowboards but flys over to NZ for a week as it's too exxy here. I've only been to the snow once, but now that my youngest is 3, hope to do the family thing & take them skiing in the next year or so.
Shane10
Shane10
QLD
102 posts
QLD, 102 posts
5 Aug 2013 7:56pm
Snowboarding is hands down the funniest board sport around! I absolutely love it, did a season in Canada so was a bit spoilt but oz is still very fun consider you can get there with 1 tank of fuel from Sydney/ melb.

Though I do remember my first day. Bum was soorer than an inmates, freezing cold and everything is a struggle. But with good gear and a bit of practice anyone can ride all over most mountains and enjoy it.

My tip: get a lesson, wear a helmet and be on the first chair up.
d1
d1
WA
304 posts
d1 d1
WA, 304 posts
5 Aug 2013 6:38pm
evlPanda said..
Am I missing something?


Yes. The apres-ski!
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
5 Aug 2013 10:42pm
I think the key thing you did wrong to limit your fun was to take the kids!



FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
5 Aug 2013 10:48pm
evlPanda said..

Overall I think the cost/fun ratio is very poor when compared to windsurfing or surfing or whatever, howeverI was brave enough on my first afternoon to try some green runs up near Merrits and I can see the attraction; it was blue skies, no wind, and no crowds and pretty stunning. Had some nice runs until I had to come back down via a blue run (high noon) and I ended up walking most of it. To me it looked like one of those Olympic ski jumps. Scary. : D. We had some nice powder on the last day and that was totally different to the slush and ice. Maybe I just need more powder (I'm looking at you Japan)?



Heh he. There's nothing like having your quads burn as you try to get down high noon! I tried it on my second day skiing and at that stage was still snow plowing, so it was a challenge! Luckily it was in a good season when there was actual snow, whereas since then I think everytime I have been there it feels like sheer ice (and I'm not that much better at skiing anyway).


kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
6 Aug 2013 9:50pm
I've done quite a bit when I was younger first skiing, then monoski, then snowboard.

Best setup was when I lived in Toulouse, France. Joined ski club for about $60, bought cheap 2nd hand gear including one of these


After that it was about $20 per day, incl 2-4hr bus each way, lift ticket, and sometimes lunch too! Different resort in the Pyrenees every weekend, hence the variable times. Buses left about 5am, so you just woke enough to get to bus station, get on bus, sleep, wake up at snow.
Best ever was when we got 2m of fresh powder - monoski was great for it but then I'd stop and my feet were locked together so I'd topple over and end up with my head a metre under the surface. Worst was the only time I went with my french girlfriend, we went out the back of the resort and it took way longer to get back than anticipated, 2 lifts and a long run in between. I think we were about 45 mins late. 5 coaches of people giving you death stares and/or cheers is a horrible, horrible feeling.

My last snowboarding trip was a bit of a disaster too. Went to NZ with workmates. That year snow was sketchy and better in oz. Didn't end up mattering much, I tripped down 6 stairs (boots not latched) and smashed my right hand. Saw doc next morn, she said you'll be ok with glove and wrist guard. Did a jump after lunch, caught and edge, snapped left collarbone with a big pop. I couldn't move, one busted hand and one busted arm, face down, in the landing zone which was hidden from takeoff. Mate disapeared ahead round corner. Eventually I was seen from chairlift, picked up by snowmobile, back to docs. That was lunch on 2nd day of 6. Spent most of the rest of the week in an orgy of room service, duty free vodka, pay per view porn, trying to console myself while the other 10 were coming home with awesome stories of their day.

On way home bris customs were Crnts, made me hoist up and fully unpack/repack my gear bag with 1 arm in sling and 1 hand bandaged up. Never forgiven them for that. Never been on snow again, for that matter.

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