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Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
VIC, 8025 posts
3 Aug 2013 5:20pm
You guys got any advice on who to use...

I was thinking True Value Solar... About $8k for a 5kW system... (20 panels, fully installed, total cost)
Flat Tin Roof, so I cop perhaps $1k of stands...

What thoughts do you guys have... suggestions, etc.
NewScotty
NewScotty
2350 posts
2350 posts
3 Aug 2013 4:38pm
Simondo son,
Why do you want solar panels ?
Surely not to make $$$$
I thought the rebates are ordinary now.
Unless they are paying more in Vic.
airjunkie
airjunkie
WA
142 posts
WA, 142 posts
3 Aug 2013 5:00pm
without the feed in tariff the people who can make solar systems most viable are those who can adjust their lifestyle so that they use most of their power in the middle of the day

eg those who work from home or are retired

simondo shop around for the equipment as much as the price, most of the panels out there are pretty close in efficiency to the top boys (BYD and a few german brands)
but the inverters will differ more - sunny boy are one of my favorites for quality and efficiency but there are other decent ones out there
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
3 Aug 2013 7:11pm

I have been thinking of going semi off grid . cheap Chinese panels on roof , second hand forklift batteries for storage . install simple 12 volt lighting system in house , ie wires draped everywhere.

inverter to go up to 240 vlt for the tv , computer or any thing that is suitable .

use the mains only for the heavy use stuff .
Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
VIC, 8025 posts
3 Aug 2013 7:26pm
NewScotty said..

Simondo son,
Why do you want solar panels ?
Surely not to make $$$$
I thought the rebates are ordinary now.
Unless they are paying more in Vic.


G'Day Scotty,
Making money is only on excess power generated, and not used!...
Yes, feed-in tariffs have come down, but that only relates to "if you are feeding in"... making more power than you use!

Basically I'm just aiming for almost cost neutral Electricity for 20 years...

I'll need to ask them about "Feed-In, Peak & Off Peak", to see if that is metered... I doubt they would meter that... Because you make power at peak times... Daytime...
airjunkie
airjunkie
WA
142 posts
WA, 142 posts
3 Aug 2013 5:29pm
SandS said..


I have been thinking of going semi off grid . cheap Chinese panels on roof , second hand forklift batteries for storage . install simple 12 volt lighting system in house , ie wires draped everywhere.

inverter to go up to 240 vlt for the tv , computer or any thing that is suitable .

use the mains only for the heavy use stuff .



That's more than doable we've been installing grid connected and fully stand alone systems in remote areas recently

the biggest that we've done so far is 4kw array and 8kwh battery bank but you can link these together to get 16kwh 24kwh etc

as the battery density's increase and prices drop, these systems are going to become a lot more popular in suburbia. Even at their current prices they are ideal for a lot of remote locations
gs12
gs12
WA
426 posts
WA, 426 posts
3 Aug 2013 7:53pm
Simondo said..

You guys got any advice on who to use...

I was thinking True Value Solar... About $8k for a 5kW system... (20 panels, fully installed, total cost)
Flat Tin Roof, so I cop perhaps $1k of stands...

What thoughts do you guys have... suggestions, etc.


you may want to do some reading on this, for example here:http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/143
I suggest you search True Value Solar .... might save you some headache ...
teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
QLD, 4177 posts
3 Aug 2013 10:25pm
After existing the industry after 15 years ill give a free tip , you get what you pay for.True value are cheap because they are cheap!Choose either SMA , Aurora for inverter , REC , Sanyo , Sunpower for Panels. Get a good installer check warranty carefully , read fine print.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
Cassa
Cassa
WA
1305 posts
WA, 1305 posts
3 Aug 2013 9:29pm
Research True Value , have heard some not so good reports
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
3 Aug 2013 11:49pm
I think this is worth a watch. He points out that the cost of getting the usual suburban household "off grid" will be more than you would spend staying "on grid".

We need to get rid of our paranoia of nuclear energy.

iview.abc.net.au
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
1227 posts
WA, 1227 posts
3 Aug 2013 9:59pm
cisco said..
I think this is worth a watch. He points out that the cost of getting the usual suburban household "off grid" will be more than you would spend staying "on grid".

My research has shown this to be true too.

cisco said..
We need to get rid of our paranoia of nuclear energy.

iview.abc.net.au

Couldn't agree more!!


Milsy
Milsy
NSW
1176 posts
NSW, 1176 posts
4 Aug 2013 8:37am
what are you going do with true power totalling 4kw, at 240, thats about 20 amps, and again thats true power not absolute, in my experience a house has much higher demands than that, especially if your gunna have air con, dishwasher, dryer, washing machine, decent tv, heating, theres no way 4kw will be enough to meet the modern sydney house demands, not to mention that one of the most potentially explosive things going would be a battery bank, which will lose its potential to maintain charge over time, and panels, assumming containing silicon or germainium will also break down over time, reducing there potential to act as transistors, reducing their conversion rate, ha, thats just some negatives, as you well know their is many postives, i'm sure it will reduce your electricity bill,
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
4 Aug 2013 8:30am

Seems to be a lot of miss info around....really what do you need mostly, run the fridge, some light, occasional water pump, the radio, or tv, cook with gas [cheapest]. So a couple of 100w panels will do this, easy peasy. As on most houseboats, or remote camps [road grader etc]. A standby generator or mains backup for the washing machine etc. It's absolute BS what is being quoted to run a household on solar.
I have a couple of 80ah panels which power my fridge, radio, lighting needs and charge up all these battery run IT gadgets.
BUT you need to have the ability to manage your power usage...oH yep i have a 120ah truck deep cycle battery.
There is no reason that a household cannot be wired to 12volt, you can buy 12volt anything
Milsy
Milsy
NSW
1176 posts
NSW, 1176 posts
4 Aug 2013 9:45am
i assume your load is located very close to your source at 12v, a 100w panel at 240v would be lucky to supply two lights, the 12v system might do ya if your gunna make electricity something in your home you have to be thinking about, changing batteries etc, constant daily effort would be required,and again, batterys have gnormous explosive potential, so perhaps not the greatest outcome to have every second home in a residental zone with battery banks, and most people draw a lot more power than that, but yeah, if you want your home to be the electrical equivalence of a house boat then thats not a bad system, but in my opinion that system wont meet the demands of the average urban consumer, and as j murray indicates, you need to have the ability to manage your power usage, which does not suit the average consumer whom is basically an electrical slob, i mean, most people have no idea what electricity is, let alone the ability to manage it, and if you were gunna do what j murray has done, you'd have to do it at 12v because anything else would be too dangerous,, the misses has to go start the generator to do a load of washing, yeah, this aint gunna happen in urban sydney
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
4 Aug 2013 10:04am
Nuclear power in Australia? ...... Yeh right and we will be assured the power stations will be maintained to to Very high standards (like ALL public assets) just like the Roads, Hospitals, Schools, Power system, Water System, Rail System.... mmmmm right!!!!

phys.org/news/2011-05-nuclear-power-world-energy.html

www.tai.org.au/file.php?file=web_papers/WP96.pdf
Skid
Skid
QLD
1499 posts
QLD, 1499 posts
4 Aug 2013 10:46am
cisco said..

...

We need to get rid of our paranoia of nuclear energy.

....


Solar power IS nuclear energy!
dusta
dusta
WA
2940 posts
WA, 2940 posts
4 Aug 2013 9:38am
Cassa said..

Research True Value , have heard some not so good reports


i had a 5kw system installed by true value , no problems . Another 5 mates have systems through true value and no issues . It's like any company , people will have good and bad experiences . It's just that no-one makes threads about how awesome a company was , simply to bitch and true value being one of the biggest in australia will feature more than others .

Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
3138 posts
NSW, 3138 posts
4 Aug 2013 1:07pm
cisco said..

I think this is worth a watch. He points out that the cost of getting the usual suburban household "off grid" will be more than you would spend staying "on grid".

We need to get rid of our paranoia of nuclear energy.



How come everybody becomes economically rational when it comes to the cost of energy, when they will quite happily pay $50 for a $5 t shirt if it has a logo on it? Or pays for electrically heated car seats .... in Qld.

As for nuclear power, I believe that there is not actually a whole lot of Uranium in the world and the price is expected to rise quite a lot in a few years time. In Oz we have lots of sun, wind and waves. As good global citizens, we should be letting areas that are not so lucky burn the stuff, but then take the waste back and use it to backfill some of the deeper holes it came from.
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