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AJEaster
AJEaster
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16 Jan 2011 2:07pm
Howdy all. Car was stolen on NY Day and AAMI have just written it off yesterday. Looking for a new wagon. Settled down to a decision between the New Subaru Outback Diesel and the new Mazda 6 Diesel. Need a wagon to make it easy to fit in all my windsurfing and surfing stuff in on longer trips. Prefer diesel as I do a lot of hwy k's so in gear acceleration as well as economy is important.

Both cars drive very well from my test drives yesterday. First diesels I have driven and I love the chubby torque. Just wondering if any of you punters own one of these vehicles and care to share you experiences, looking for negatives you have experienced in your ownership, you know, any issues mechanically you have come across, but positives are welcomed too.

For anyone interested in a diesel wagon I have noted my basic observations below:

Subaru Outback
Pros
AWD and a bit higher off the ground so sandy tracks are ok
Bolted together well and feels super sturdy when driving
Economy similar to the Mazda even though it is AWD
Rides well on bigger tyres but suspension is still tight so corners well, but is a good ride over busted tar and potholed dirt tracks etc
Cons
Heavier clutch and notchy gearshift
New shape at the front is damn FKN UGLY (in my opinion anyway)....may effect resale when better shape comes out (seen the new sketches for the potential imprezza, they look amazing!!! put that face on the outback please)

Mazda 6 Diesel
Pros
Looks smooth and 100% prettier than the Subbie
much lighter clutch and smooth 6 speeder
Cheaper than Subbie
corners well, just like a smaller sedan
Cons
Ride is hasher on the lower profile tyres and tighter suspension
Engine a tad more powerful (kw+Nm) than the subbie, but it is bigger too, really cant feel that much difference in power when driving though
doesnt feel as well bolted together as the outback (harsh vibrations, more wind and tyre noise)

Thanks in advance for any feedback on the cars

Cheers

Adam
gs12
gs12
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16 Jan 2011 11:36am
Hi,

I was going through the same process last year and at the end it was between the Outback and Mazda 6 (2009 models - not diesels) so this might not be 100% relevant.

On paper they look very similar, I read some reviews/direct comparisons on the net (looks like lot of people are choosing between these two vehicles) and most said they are both very good and the only real difference is the AWD capabiity of Subi and whether you to intend to take it off road or not.

I ended up buying Outback and I'm glad I did so, higher ground clearance, corners really well ,the fuel economy is little higher than I expected but overall I'm pretty happy.

I agree that the look of new Outback is not as nice as the previous.

hope this helps

paddymac
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16 Jan 2011 1:44pm
Apart from the looks one of he biggest differences is the seat split, Outback has the short split on the passenger side which is a bummer. Mazda on the driver side.

I have the 04 Outback and have been very happy. I can stick plenty of windsurf gear in it and go most places in comfort.
Jedibrad
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NSW
527 posts
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16 Jan 2011 6:12pm
Hi, I got the new outback diesel, pros, unbelievable economy hwy mode around 6 and town less than 7 l/100k. cons, it has a closed diesel particulate filter as do all new diesels and some people have had problems, mine gets a little jerky for about 30 seconds about once a week when it does some type of burn off to clear the dpf.

I looked at the mazda too and it's dpf requires some type of additional chemical and if this runs low then the car goes into safe/slow mode if you run out car turns off
62mac
62mac
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16 Jan 2011 4:21pm
No brainier mate, SUBARU
log man
log man
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16 Jan 2011 7:23pm
Just another suggestion from left field (maybe). Skoda Octavia wagon. Mechanically all vw or Audi , great TDi engine, huge boot, great price.
Makaha
Makaha
1145 posts
1145 posts
16 Jan 2011 4:28pm
My drive a Audi A4, son Subaru,give me the sub any day. awd + bigger motor and drives nice and tight,btw mine is plated 2010 his 2006 go figure.both wagons
jetstream
jetstream
WA
57 posts
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16 Jan 2011 4:37pm
Dont **** with the Mazda get thesubaru diesel. Thee engine is magic and the outback ain't such A bad wagon to boot
te]AJEaster said...

Howdy all. Car was stolen on NY Day and AAMI have just written it off yesterday. Looking for a new wagon. Settled down to a decision between the New Subaru Outback Diesel and the new Mazda 6 Diesel. Need a wagon to make it easy to fit in all my windsurfing and surfing stuff in on longer trips. Prefer diesel as I do a lot of hwy k's so in gear acceleration as well as economy is important.

Both cars drive very well from my test drives yesterday. First diesels I have driven and I love the chubby torque. Just wondering if any of you punters own one of these vehicles and care to share you experiences, looking for negatives you have experienced in your ownership, you know, any issues mechanically you have come across, but positives are welcomed too.

For anyone interested in a diesel wagon I have noted my basic observations below:

Subaru Outback
Pros
AWD and a bit higher off the ground so sandy tracks are ok
Bolted together well and feels super sturdy when driving
Economy similar to the Mazda even though it is AWD
Rides well on bigger tyres but suspension is still tight so corners well, but is a good ride over busted tar and potholed dirt tracks etc
Cons
Heavier clutch and notchy gearshift
New shape at the front is damn FKN UGLY (in my opinion anyway)....may effect resale when better shape comes out (seen the new sketches for the potential imprezza, they look amazing!!! put that face on the outback please)

Mazda 6 Diesel
Pros
Looks smooth and 100% prettier than the Subbie
much lighter clutch and smooth 6 speeder
Cheaper than Subbie
corners well, just like a smaller sedan
Cons
Ride is hasher on the lower profile tyres and tighter suspension
Engine a tad more powerful (kw+Nm) than the subbie, but it is bigger too, really cant feel that much difference in power when driving though
doesnt feel as well bolted together as the outback (harsh vibrations, more wind and tyre noise)

Thanks in advance for any feedback on the cars

Cheers

Adam


AJEaster
AJEaster
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699 posts
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16 Jan 2011 9:30pm
Thanks all for posting your experiences. this thread, along with a lot of research turned up no issues with the Subbie diesel. However, on one forum I came across the DPF on the mazda (as outlined by JediBrad) has had issues - particularly if the vehicle doesnt do many hwy ks on a regular basis - resulting in the vehicle not being able to clear the built up gunk properly, which creates a manual clean job which is great for the dealers service dept.

I loved the Subbie from first drive, just felt more sturdy on the road and a higher quality of construction, wife liked the Mazda better because of the easier clutch gear box combo even though there were rattles in the plastics with the stiffer ride. Wife has read this thread, and also family websites about how good the AWD system is for 'general safety', not just sandy tracks, and now she is back onto the Outback too! Outback here we come, thanks for helping me get it over the line all

AJEaster
AJEaster
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16 Jan 2011 10:48pm
log man said...

Just another suggestion from left field (maybe). Skoda Octavia wagon. Mechanically all vw or Audi , great TDi engine, huge boot, great price.


Hey log man. Yeah had a look at the Skoda, but considering the reliability problems I and my mate have had with our new VW Mk6 Golf 118TSIs, I thought twice about considering another VAG product or product with VAG technology. I know I am being catious, but I will use this for a work vehicle and cant be let down in this vehicle like my golf has let me down. I am staying with Japanese build for now, definately not as tech savy (or as exciting to drive) as VAG products, but according to the JD Power surveys, Jap build such as Mazda and Subbys come out round the top consistently for reliability.

Prior to my Kluger (which was exceptional and had no issues bar the bland drive), I had a GT Forester for 7 years, only issue was one of the digits on the odometre was not as dark as the others, bar that and the odd replacement of a C.Boot, gave me no curry.

Thanks for the heads up though .

Simondo
Simondo
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17 Jan 2011 1:50pm
Suby every day of the week.

I prefer Forester, with a little more ride height, and the equivalent models are cheaper.

Turbo Forester is cheaper than the Diesel Outback.
169KW v's 110KW. (Turbo Wins)
320NM v's 350NM. (Diesel Wins)

cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
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17 Jan 2011 2:22pm
Simondo said...

Suby every day of the week.

I prefer Forester, with a little more ride height, and the equivalent models are cheaper.

Turbo Forester is cheaper than the Diesel Outback.
169KW v's 110KW. (Turbo Wins)
320NM v's 350NM. (Diesel Wins)




Yeah but the boot's a bit smaller and there's a touch less leg room in the back seat from memory.

Have a 2006 Forester - love it, put small/light SUV tires on it goes on the sand somewhat regularly. If I could justify it i'd get a new diesel model.

Word of warning on subaru's if your going to hit the sand, the tie down lug they use for shipping at the front of the car isn't strong enough for pulling out of sand (they snap) you can have them replaces with proper rescue hooks not sure what that would do to the warrenty though. You can also find after market metal engine pans as the ones that come on the cars are a bit flimsy (read plastic).
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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17 Jan 2011 3:21pm
A colleague has what I think is a a new Subaru Liberty. Its one of the most brutish and ugliest cars I've ever seen. If the Outback looks like it then I'd steer away from it.

Dunno what is in the heads of the Subaru styling department. Their cars are getting uglier every year.

firiebob
firiebob
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17 Jan 2011 12:43pm
Mobydisc said...


Its one of the most brutish and ugliest cars I've ever seen


I had a girlfriend like that, but what a beautiful chassis, I drove her every opportunity I got

AJEaster
AJEaster
NSW
699 posts
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17 Jan 2011 5:09pm
Mobydisc said...

A colleague has what I think is a a new Subaru Liberty. Its one of the most brutish and ugliest cars I've ever seen. If the Outback looks like it then I'd steer away from it.

Dunno what is in the heads of the Subaru styling department. Their cars are getting uglier every year.




have to agree Moby, the liberty wont win any beauty contest in a hurry - Outback aint much prettier!

@ SIMONDO: Thanks for the heads up. Had a closer look at the new shape. Forester is 25% smaller in the boot, and less leg room. I have had a GT forester before and loved it for 7 years. Time to go bigger, more gear to cart and an additional family member on the way. Other benefit is that the Diesel Outback uses around half the fuel of the XT Forester (6L vs 10.5). Thanks for the comparo though

Just drove both Subby and Mazda again - subby is a lot more quiet, more sturdy on the road due to it's wide stance and drives really well. Just signed up for the demo model (with 80ks on it) that they were selling on run out at a super sweet price (something had to compensate for the looks)...... pick up at the end of the week.....then I can go sailing again

Thanks everyone for your input
Simondo
Simondo
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17 Jan 2011 7:01pm
Congrats on the car purchase!

Don't let anyone bullcrap on about losing $3,000 when you drive out the driveway.... over 5-8 years, it all balances out in the wash, and you get a NEW CAR, and Full Warranty !!

Oh, Subaru's are mechanically great. Me and my wife drive them. We've done roughly 350,000km in them. The only parts we've needed are Inner CV Joints on my first Subaru, that came from Grandpa, at 300,000km mark (I did 130,000 in that car - '82 Station Wagon). The only other part was a heater thermostat on warranty. (The Wife has gone through a couple of bumper bars via Insurance, but that doesn't count! - and usual spark plugs, oil filters, etc)

Realistically, after 5 years, you are roughly left with "half the value" of the car.
$40,000 car, gets close to $20,000. But $25,000 if you're lucky, low K's etc.
You might do 15,000km x 5 years = 75,000km. You will have saved roughly 4.5-5.0 litres per 100km. Say 3,500 litres x $1.30 = $4,550.
But the Turbo Forester will get you at the lights ever time !!
Diesel is a pretty good option though.

Oh, they (Subaru) even gave me a new battery once. I (stupidly) left the keys in the ignition one Easter when we went away for a week, and I killed the battery. I actually jumped it, but at the next service, they tested it, and replaced it for free (warranty - no questions asked, and I didn't even mention it, and it was working fine, but must have failed their testing) !
Little Jon
Little Jon
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2115 posts
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17 Jan 2011 10:24pm
Mobydisc said...

A colleague has what I think is a a new Subaru Liberty. Its one of the most brutish and ugliest cars I've ever seen. If the Outback looks like it then I'd steer away from it.

Dunno what is in the heads of the Subaru styling department. Their cars are getting uglier every year.




Yeah the old one (2 or years) were great sporty wagons, now their ugly bubble roofed people movers. I can only imagine they have decided to target a different and bigger market. Why ugly cars are so popular I can't understand, the bubble roof style is the ugliest thing in the last 20 years. If I had the money I would get the older 3 litre liberty, the mazda or a holden sportwagon. Sportwagon is a good story of how to take an ugly wagon and make it good.
Little Jon
Little Jon
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17 Jan 2011 10:53pm
Opps, posted before I saw you bought outback, sorry. I have driven a new outback. It was great, gotta know where the handbrake is though.
AJEaster
AJEaster
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699 posts
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17 Jan 2011 11:21pm
Little Jon said...

Mobydisc said...

A colleague has what I think is a a new Subaru Liberty. Its one of the most brutish and ugliest cars I've ever seen. If the Outback looks like it then I'd steer away from it.

Dunno what is in the heads of the Subaru styling department. Their cars are getting uglier every year.




Yeah the old one (2 or years) were great sporty wagons, now their ugly bubble roofed people movers. I can only imagine they have decided to target a different and bigger market. Why ugly cars are so popular I can't understand, the bubble roof style is the ugliest thing in the last 20 years. If I had the money I would get the older 3 litre liberty, the mazda or a holden sportwagon. Sportwagon is a good story of how to take an ugly wagon and make it good.


I agree, the older style liberty was a prettier shape, but also much smaller. The new ones are like the tardus inside - and the outback being more 'upright' is bigger again. Tried a 2006 3.0R Liberty B.Spec wagon with 60,000 ks on it, and was disappointed that the torque was way up high in the rev range, so unless you drove like a BOGAN it was hard to see the benefits of having the 3Litre....many reviews say the same I found out later too, common complaint.

Commy Sport Wagon or the new VW Passat coming out this year look like the best wagons cosmetically, but like I said, reliability is important to me. Guys at work have fleet Commy SV6 wagons and have had transmission issues and are forever getting rattles fixed - and despite the new SIDI engine supposing to be revolutionary and now e-flexible, it still drinks (almost) like a 3.5L AWD Kluger (10.5 vs 11.5L/100ks) - not cool if looking for efficency

If I had extra money I would have gone for the Volvo XC60 D5 - looks the goods, safe as houses and sips the diesel, plenty of torque down low for highway travel but I didnt want to part with another $25k (nor could I afford it) - rather that off the home loan and get some much needed sailing gear too

Subarus new ugly shapes are to probably to sell more cars in the USA, they like ugly cars right?
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