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westhammer
westhammer
WA
507 posts
WA, 507 posts
8 Oct 2008 12:12am
Eyez just dropped 10 g in super for when i get old,i never asked any one to take it they just fkn took it,,why as a young man cant i put that to good use without the guverment deciding whats best for me.fk um that 50 g they stole from i want back ,but they spent it on me future when i get old!eyez my own man,and i look out for my own future,i dont need no fkn guverment makin bad moves and gambling my hard earned green,i want my super salin fund Now not when i am 6fkn5
kk
kk
WA
953 posts
kk kk
WA, 953 posts
8 Oct 2008 10:05am
Well don't put any money into super if you don't like it?? Or are you complaining about the money your boss puts in for you cause the gov told him he had too?
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4105 posts
QLD, 4105 posts
8 Oct 2008 12:37pm
I think you'll find it's the fund managers who decide what part of the stockmarket your funds are invested in, not the government. If I recall correctly you once had to use the super fund chosen by your employer, and whether you had any say in it was between you and your employer, but I believe it is now your choice which fund you contribute to. Can anyone back me up on this?

I would guess that no matter how good your fund manager is though, or how conservative the investment plan is you had chosen, it would be very hard not to lose money given that the entire world economy is in turmoil.
wormy
wormy
QLD
679 posts
QLD, 679 posts
8 Oct 2008 1:19pm
Well if westhammer is a young man it wont matter to much. The more money pored into super now while at rock bottom actally purchases more stock, so when it booms again(which it will), whaallah. We all be rich again.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
8 Oct 2008 1:38pm
as wormy says, it will be back.

also agree greenpat. we choose where our money gets invested.

i am a littled pissed with my fund manager though as i asked my super to be tranferred from high risk to cash about 6 months back. my fund manager spent 15 minutes explaining to me how i hadn't quite got how the whole thing works and that i should stay where i was. so i took his "expert" advice and stayed put. if i had of switched, i would now be transferring everything back into stocks.

i'll be changing funds manager pretty soon.

looking at the imf graph of USA mortgages you could say we will see another dip "down trend" between 2010 & 2011 or that's the theory anyways.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
9 Oct 2008 12:32am
Gestalt said...

as wormy says, it will be back.

also agree greenpat. we choose where our money gets invested.

i am a littled pissed with my fund manager though as i asked my super to be tranferred from high risk to cash about 6 months back. my fund manager spent 15 minutes explaining to me how i hadn't quite got how the whole thing works and that i should stay where i was. so i took his "expert" advice and stayed put. if i had of switched, i would now be transferring everything back into stocks.

i'll be changing funds manager pretty soon.

looking at the imf graph of USA mortgages you could say we will see another dip "down trend" between 2010 & 2011 or that's the theory anyways.


I put mine into cash late last year, right at the exact bottom, expecting the current situation. Then it rocketed right back up and beyond, so I jumped back in at the top.

Just let it all go man . What's that saying? The things you own end up owning you.

Westhammer has a point though. We earned it yet can't access it. We pay for current pensions and our own too.

Just realised 2010/11 is the exact time more (old) people start leaving the workforce than are entering it. There will be no recovery, at least not in the USA, for a long, long time.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
8 Oct 2008 11:49pm
Gestalt said...

as wormy says, it will be back.

also agree greenpat. we choose where our money gets invested.

i am a littled pissed with my fund manager though as i asked my super to be tranferred from high risk to cash about 6 months back. my fund manager spent 15 minutes explaining to me how i hadn't quite got how the whole thing works and that i should stay where i was. so i took his "expert" advice and stayed put. if i had of switched, i would now be transferring everything back into stocks.

i'll be changing funds manager pretty soon.

looking at the imf graph of USA mortgages you could say we will see another dip "down trend" between 2010 & 2011 or that's the theory anyways.


he doesn't make as much money when his clients are sitting on cash, he's gambling with other peoples money and grabbing a chunk of the winnings normally. I would go sleep with his wife if i was you
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
9 Oct 2008 9:34pm
what if she is skanky

kitecrazzzy said...

Gestalt said...

as wormy says, it will be back.

also agree greenpat. we choose where our money gets invested.

i am a littled pissed with my fund manager though as i asked my super to be tranferred from high risk to cash about 6 months back. my fund manager spent 15 minutes explaining to me how i hadn't quite got how the whole thing works and that i should stay where i was. so i took his "expert" advice and stayed put. if i had of switched, i would now be transferring everything back into stocks.

i'll be changing funds manager pretty soon.

looking at the imf graph of USA mortgages you could say we will see another dip "down trend" between 2010 & 2011 or that's the theory anyways.


he doesn't make as much money when his clients are sitting on cash, he's gambling with other peoples money and grabbing a chunk of the winnings normally. I would go sleep with his wife if i was you


evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
9 Oct 2008 11:23pm
Gestalt said...

what if she is skanky


No, no. His newer wife.
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
11 Oct 2008 3:09am
GreenPat said...

I think you'll find it's the fund managers who decide what part of the stockmarket your funds are invested in, not the government. If I recall correctly you once had to use the super fund chosen by your employer, and whether you had any say in it was between you and your employer, but I believe it is now your choice which fund you contribute to. Can anyone back me up on this?

I would guess that no matter how good your fund manager is though, or how conservative the investment plan is you had chosen, it would be very hard not to lose money given that the entire world economy is in turmoil.


Secondly, On a Bear market, You could forward sell shares and then buy them at lower prices which makes you money! but that takes B.A.L.L.S!!! especially with contracts for difference where the real money is.

but if super comapany's let that secret out, then everyone would do it, right?

Also, you don't have to lose your money to super if you run your own fund and anyone can do it. but there are obviously alot of constraints and regulations.

BUT MY TIP OF THE DAY FOR SUPER...........AND it's a ****ing dooooooozie if you qualify.
If you are over 54 and only working part time, chuck all (or a large part of, ) your income as a salary sacrifice into your super.........why.......... because your income effectively becomes zero. you can then take money out of your super fund and live on that.............. why would you do that????

because your income is F.A. and you will pay F.A. tax while still topping up your super.

when you take money out of super you are charged F*&^ all tax compared to what you would be if you were living off your actual earnings.

If you know ANYONE over 54 and they are working part-time PLEASE get them to talk to their super fund managers about this. It is a great way to preserve super!!!! and it will help them greatly
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
11 Oct 2008 3:13am
GreenPat said...

I think you'll find it's the fund managers who decide what part of the stockmarket your funds are invested in, not the government. If I recall correctly you once had to use the super fund chosen by your employer, and whether you had any say in it was between you and your employer, but I believe it is now your choice which fund you contribute to. Can anyone back me up on this?

I would guess that no matter how good your fund manager is though, or how conservative the investment plan is you had chosen, it would be very hard not to lose money given that the entire world economy is in turmoil.




oh yeah.
you should be able to choose which ever fund you like, but some employers agrue the case..... i am not sure what is the G.O.

But also within your superfund YOU should have the right to nominate where your funds are allocated.

I also wnated to change my super funds from 90% shares to 90% gold about 8 months ago....F'in spewin i listened to my Super manager.

MY SECOND BEST SUPER TIP OF THE DAY.

INVEST IN THE WORST PERFORMING MARKET FROM THE PREVIOUS 12-18 MONTHS.

calculations have shown a big increase between investing in the worst market and the best one....which makes alot of sense if you think about it too much......... which i have..... obviously!

(this doesn't mean changing funds!!!....what i mean is, your super manager should give YOU the option of several investment types like, Aussie shares, Int. shares, realestate, cash. gold, etc etc. you can choose an allocation as a percentage of each of these or go with a pre selected one that they would call things like; growth, stable, capital stable, equity etc etc..... younger people should get into equity or Growth (Growth-plus) and older people should look at cash, stable and less risky options)


I am not a investment specialist and will not accept liabilty for your stupid decisions basedf on super in a weather forum. However...... get into shares!!!.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
11 Oct 2008 8:18pm
Hey, don't forget, this is probably one of the few sports you can still do when you are 60. So just think about all that new gear you will be able to buy on your retirement day!
shear tip
shear tip
NSW
1125 posts
NSW, 1125 posts
11 Oct 2008 10:07pm
Harrow said...

Hey, don't forget, this is probably one of the few sports you can still do when you are 60. So just think about all that new gear you will be able to buy on your retirement day!


You can also do it on a budget (once you have the gear!)

I pay $100 per day to ski in crap Aus snow. Imagine paying that to sail in 10-15 knots per day.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
12 Oct 2008 8:47am
here is what perky had to say about things.

"... Let's be absolutely clear about it. What is happening in the global economy and what people see daily on their television screens and the impact on stockmarkets affects people's superannuation earnings, it really does.

"It hits the bottom line and it's bad, it's really bad. Let's not mince words about it."

sounds like he has been taking lessoons from Mr Bush.

i can't believe the leader of australia could be so retarded and come up with such an ill thought out and dumb response.
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
12 Oct 2008 8:53am
I am trying the "Egyptian swimmer" approch. (in de nile).....
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
12 Oct 2008 9:23am
Richiefish said...

I am trying the "Egyptian swimmer" approch. (in de nile).....


hehe.... cracked my up.
Yesireebob1
Yesireebob1
WA
40 posts
WA, 40 posts
12 Oct 2008 8:31am


Secondly, On a Bear market, You could forward sell shares and then buy them at lower prices which makes you money! but that takes B.A.L.L.S!!! especially with contracts for difference where the real money is.




That's short selling and that's currently illegal. Hedge funds have been manipulating the stock market for years, making it very difficult for small time investors.
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