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japie
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20 Sep 2010 10:08pm
Seems the clandestine involvement of the CIA in drugs has gone viral - looks like it might be a production arm of the United States Army

projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/giza_geomatrix/giza_geomatrix.html
Bigwavedave
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20 Sep 2010 11:02pm
Has seabreeze become conspiracy central??

Same posters seem to thrive on this sh1t.

How about a change of theme for once?
japie
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20 Sep 2010 11:15pm
Bigwavedave said...

Has seabreeze become conspiracy central??

Same posters seem to thrive on this sh1t.

How about a change of theme for once?


Get back to sucking on the Saveloy. If I want to post something that is not generally reported that is my right.

If everyone took thier head out of the sand this **** would not be available. Governments have been trafficking in drugs from way back when.

You are a completer drongo if you do not believe it
theDoctor
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20 Sep 2010 11:23pm


you don't have to believe it, the evidence is quite clearly there

japie
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20 Sep 2010 11:31pm
theDoctor said...



you don't have to believe it, the evidence is quite clearly there




Nah Doc, for some people ...... nah, don't worry about it
japie
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20 Sep 2010 11:37pm
It is myth that the ostrich "puts his head in the sand".

What is true is that baby ostriches, when running fom danger in a clutch, will all suddenly drop to the ground and lay their heads flat whilst the adult parents fake broken wings.

Lends a heap more meaning to the expression
Mark _australia
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20 Sep 2010 9:42pm
Ex CIA people have admitted use of the narcotics trade to make money for covert ops and to assist in overthrow of Govt's they didn't like. They admitted that many years ago, FOI dodumnets have shown it happened, it is fact, but it is so unlikely to happen now that it is not worth even considering

Besides, as we all know, they made all their real money with patents for velcro and microwave ovens with technology from the spacecraft at Roswell
Bigwavedave
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21 Sep 2010 12:18am
Typical conspiracy freak approach.

Provide no proof except random YouTube videos.

Abuse anyone who doesn't agree or requires actual evidence.

Abusive comments really enhance your paranoid arguments.
japie
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21 Sep 2010 12:19am
Mark _australia said...

Ex CIA people have admitted use of the narcotics trade to make money for covert ops and to assist in overthrow of Govt's they didn't like. They admitted that many years ago, FOI dodumnets have shown it happened, it is fact, but it is so unlikely to happen now that it is not worth even considering

Besides, as we all know, they made all their real money with patents for velcro and microwave ovens with technology from the spacecraft at Roswell


Pull the other one. Disregard a a key and proven strategy for both collecting vast sums of paper money from the system as regularly as you would milk a cow?

It all helps to keep people diverted from the truth.

Paper dollars for arms, do you think they would? Not in this day and age?

The other one, it's got bells on it!

War on drugs! More like price regulation!
UP
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20 Sep 2010 10:25pm
Humans should be free to experiment anything they want without any threat from police

For alcohol and drugs we should get a license with proper education.
Each time someone gets drunk and get involve in a fight, police should confiscate his drinking license or dope license for 2 years or so

This way there will be no drug dealer gangs, there will be no drunken street fights.

What is the point of checking your driving license when you want to enter a night club?
japie
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21 Sep 2010 12:50am
Bigwavedave said...

Typical conspiracy freak approach.

Provide no proof except random YouTube videos.

Abuse anyone who doesn't agree or requires actual evidence.

Abusive comments really enhance your paranoid arguments.


Mate, you are a complete plonker.

You are telling me that the you tube video I put up is bull**** when you have not even watched it. If you had you would have realised I had ****ed up and posted the wrong link.

The production of opium in Afghanistan is now at an all time high. With the 120,000 troops now in the country it has been impossible to stop this growth of course.

The Taliban had all but eliminated it.

Now, every time a helicopter sounds those little opium poppy's, mamah they just uproot themselvesl and run into those caves right after that Osama

Yeah right.




log man
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21 Sep 2010 1:54am
It was only a matter of time before the good old CIA got a good airing. Don't you Freaks understand "THE POWERS THAT BE" ARE CONTROLLING EVERYTHING WE THINK and its up to you , the chosen few , the only ones that can lift the veil from our eyes, Oh, please help us cheesy freaks.
log man
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21 Sep 2010 1:59am
Oh and "UP" , that's totally brilliant.
Richiefish
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21 Sep 2010 8:17am
Mark _australia said...

Ex CIA people have admitted use of the narcotics trade to make money for covert ops and to assist in overthrow of Govt's they didn't like. They admitted that many years ago, FOI dodumnets have shown it happened, it is fact, but it is so unlikely to happen now that it is not worth even considering

Besides, as we all know, they made all their real money with patents for velcro and microwave ovens with technology from the spacecraft at Roswell


aliens invented velcro ???!!! Now that makes sense !!!
doggie
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21 Sep 2010 8:51am
Bigwavedave said...

Typical conspiracy freak approach.

Provide no proof except random YouTube videos.

Abuse anyone who doesn't agree or requires actual evidence.

Abusive comments really enhance your paranoid arguments.


What you said is correct Dave.
ginger pom
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21 Sep 2010 7:14pm
I'm not sure but my understanding is that the CIA do not have a global enforcement role. If someone is selling drugs in another country and it's not affecting America, than they don't actually care. They have strategic goals and they do tactical things to get these strategic goals. In theory the strategic goals are only slightly morally questionable and then the tactical things just follow rules that set a moral floor like don't torture (supposedly introduced recently)

So your proposal that the CIA ignore, collaborate with, don't check if people do or don't deal drugs, work with people that do deal drugs etc is not new. They deal with foreign mobsters, armed mercenaries and terrorist groups if they think it will get them to their strategic aims.

Hardly much of a conspiracy if you ask me.
japie
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21 Sep 2010 9:12pm
Jack Mack said...

Checkout the website it was posted on.
projectcamelotportal.com/
I really enjoyed the home and about page.
Nutjob central!


If I had seen this site a few years ago I would have said the same thing but now, I am not so sure at all.

Have a look at the interview with Klaus Donna. He collects and exhibits artefacts which he discusses in the talk - some very strange stuff out there that are not even addressed by conventional academics.
Ian1
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21 Sep 2010 7:43pm
Agree with UP. Thats good thinkin. The amount of alcohol fueled violence where I live is out of control and the justice system is week as piss. Just slap em on the wrist let em back out there. A license to drink won't solve all the problems but at least they won't be back out there the next day pissed and glassing people.

Sorry to get of subject but thats the most sensible idea I've heard for ages.

UP for PM.
Carantoc
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22 Sep 2010 9:17pm
Not for one moment doubting the CIA and other government agencies aren't involved in the drug trade, be it for gain or for attempted control of the industry and for obtaining information but

- come on -

'....Project Camelot is based on an idea generated when we first met and spent the weekend in Tintagel, England, overlooking the sea in the home of King Arthur ....'

King Arthur never existed. There was never a king of england or of wessex called Arthur. He was created by the english chivalry movement of the middle ages as a fashionable and popular hero.

It is exactly the same as people in 400 years time saying there was a great warrior called the Terminator, who turned from evil to good and eventually became the ruler of the great country of california. Arguably some grain of basis of the story, but not exactly true.

No doubt there was one or more leaders of tribes in pre-roman southern england who can be linked to the name Arthur in some strenuous way. But there was no Arthur of the legend, no round table and no camelot.

If you wish to look back on the glory times of chivarly and knights in shining armour then even King Alfred and his grandson King Athelstain (?) who were the first great 'english' kings (Alfred only of wessex, his grandson eventually conquering Danelaw and uniting england for the first time) and they really pre-date the knight in shining armour period by 200 years.

Canute was also a great english king of that tradition, although originally a Dane.

Cite the existance of your organisation on medieval fiction and expect what you say to be taken seriously ?

Maybe they need to employ a historian instead of graduates of sociology with dodgey MBAs in 'buisness' and spend time educating themselves rather than smoking pot at Tintagel. I expect they nipped down to Tresurfit or up to Spekes while they were there for quick surf, (like all the other tourists) and pissed off some locals.

Carantoc
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22 Sep 2010 9:25pm
Ian1 said...

Agree with UP. Thats good thinkin. The amount of alcohol fueled violence where I live is out of control and the justice system is week as piss. Just slap em on the wrist let em back out there. A license to drink won't solve all the problems but at least they won't be back out there the next day pissed and glassing people.

Sorry to get of subject but thats the most sensible idea I've heard for ages.

UP for PM.


Not sure a license to drink could be enforced, but a license to purchase alcohol may work quite well. Plenty of other things you need a license to buy (guns, explosives, dogs, pharmaceutical drugs etc) and those systems seem to work OKish.

So I am in as well. Legalise everything, license (and tax) the things that cost society.

Got to be better than attempted enforcement of prohibition.

Ian1 for speaker of the house.
log man
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23 Sep 2010 12:18am
A mate of mine has this idea that there should be sort of odds and even days, where only sober people can drive on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. and Pissed people only can drive on Tues,Thurs,and Sat morning. Then the cops could breathe test people on the "even" days and if any alcohol is detected a large fine is levied and, likewise if the coppers test someone on an "odds" day and their under .05 then equally a large fine follows. My friend's theory also extends to weekends where Saturdays afternoons are a stoners only . And Sundays are reserved for dope fiends the Chinese and Liberal voters (his theory here is that the Chinese,smackers and Liberal voters have a "mind Meld" going on and seem to understand each other perfectly). I might bring up this theory at a local Labor party policy committee.
log man
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23 Sep 2010 12:26am
Doctor, why wouldn't you believe the theory of peak oil ? not controversial enough?
japie
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23 Sep 2010 1:06am
Carantoc said...

Not for one moment doubting the CIA and other government agencies aren't involved in the drug trade, be it for gain or for attempted control of the industry and for obtaining information but

- come on -

'....Project Camelot is based on an idea generated when we first met and spent the weekend in Tintagel, England, overlooking the sea in the home of King Arthur ....'

King Arthur never existed. There was never a king of england or of wessex called Arthur. He was created by the english chivalry movement of the middle ages as a fashionable and popular hero.

It is exactly the same as people in 400 years time saying there was a great warrior called the Terminator, who turned from evil to good and eventually became the ruler of the great country of california. Arguably some grain of basis of the story, but not exactly true.

No doubt there was one or more leaders of tribes in pre-roman southern england who can be linked to the name Arthur in some strenuous way. But there was no Arthur of the legend, no round table and no camelot.

If you wish to look back on the glory times of chivarly and knights in shining armour then even King Alfred and his grandson King Athelstain (?) who were the first great 'english' kings (Alfred only of wessex, his grandson eventually conquering Danelaw and uniting england for the first time) and they really pre-date the knight in shining armour period by 200 years.

Canute was also a great english king of that tradition, although originally a Dane.

Cite the existance of your organisation on medieval fiction and expect what you say to be taken seriously ?

Maybe they need to employ a historian instead of graduates of sociology with dodgey MBAs in 'buisness' and spend time educating themselves rather than smoking pot at Tintagel. I expect they nipped down to Tresurfit or up to Spekes while they were there for quick surf, (like all the other tourists) and pissed off some locals.




Point taken.

Our lives our ruled by legends, take Christ, Mohammed et al..

The guys who run this site are asking questions. Have a look at that stuff posted by Klaus Donna.

I have a bit of geology training and a lot of bilogy.

How do you explain an artefact that obviously depicts todays knowledge of reproduction from arguably 30,00 years ago. Our "experts" agree we do not have the technology to reproduce this stuff today?

There's stacks of stuff from the Summerian Tablets to the Koran and the Bible that talk about when giants walked the earth and yet the skeletons that exist are ignored

Why was the Catholic Chrch so ruthless about destroying Mayan knowledge? Why are there world maps that exist from centuries before Columbus?

Remember, the winners write history


log man
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23 Sep 2010 1:19pm
"giants walked the Earth and the skeletons that exist are ignored".....Please explain
poor relative
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mattyjee
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Its not that i dont necesarrily believe in the conspiracy theories, its just that i plain dont care.
japie
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23 Sep 2010 7:52pm
log man said...

"giants walked the Earth and the skeletons that exist are ignored".....Please explain


There are a stack of references to giants in ancient writings including the bible, not that that is any assurance.

There are a number of skeletons in collections from South America of people who where 2 meters tall and had very odd shaped heads. Have a look at the Klaus Donna interview, very strange.
evlPanda
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23 Sep 2010 10:04pm
Well, as Mark pointed out it certainly has happened before.

For example The British Government and the creation of Hong Kong:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War :

"Instead, the Sino-British trade became dominated by high-value luxury items such as tea (from China to Britain) and silver (from Britain to China), to the extent that European specie metals became widely used in China. Britain had been on the gold standard since the 18th century, so it had to purchase silver from continental Europe and Mexico to supply the Chinese appetite for silver, which was a costly process at a time before demonetisation of silver by Germany in the 1870s.

In casting about for other possible commodities to reverse the flow of silver out of the country and into China, the British decided on opium. Opium as a medicinal ingredient was documented in texts as early as the Ming dynasty but its recreational use was limited and there were laws in place against its abuse. It was with the mass quantities introduced by the British motivated by the equalisation of trade that the drug became prevalent. British sales of opium in large amounts began in 1781 and between 1821 and 1837 sales increased fivefold. The drug was produced in traditionally cotton-growing regions of India under British government monopoly (Bengal) and in the Princely states (Malwa) and was sold on the condition that it be shipped by British traders to China. The Qing government had largely ignored the problem until abuse of the drug had spread widely in Chinese society.
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23 Sep 2010 10:06pm
japie said...

log man said...

"giants walked the Earth and the skeletons that exist are ignored".....Please explain


There are a stack of references to giants in ancient writings including the bible, not that that is any assurance.

There are a number of skeletons in collections from South America of people who where 2 meters tall and had very odd shaped heads. Have a look at the Klaus Donna interview, very strange.


Pics or it didn't happen.
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japie said...

There are a number of skeletons in collections from South America of people who where 2 meters tall and had very odd shaped heads. Have a look at the Klaus Donna interview, very strange.


2 meters? 6 foot? I've got four sons that are that height and they're not strange at all.
japie
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24 Sep 2010 10:22am
evlPanda said...

japie said...

log man said...

"giants walked the Earth and the skeletons that exist are ignored".....Please explain


There are a stack of references to giants in ancient writings including the bible, not that that is any assurance.

There are a number of skeletons in collections from South America of people who where 2 meters tall and had very odd shaped heads. Have a look at the Klaus Donna interview, very strange.


Pics or it didn't happen.



projectavalon.net/lang/en/Klaus_Dona_The_Hidden_History_of_the_Human_Race_Feb_2010.pdf

Page 11 - the skeletons are 2.6 meters
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