The Western Black Rhino declared Extinct

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Haydn24
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7 Nov 2013 12:41am
edition.cnn.com/2011/11/10/world/africa/rhino-extinct-species-report/index.html

Good work world, once again proving that humanity is defined by selfish, arrogant ignorance.

smicko
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6 Nov 2013 11:17pm
And big **** off grass fed steak.
GreenPat
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7 Nov 2013 4:36am
Not that this isn't a bad thing to happen, it's a shame these animals are no longer around, but 99.x% of species that ever lived are also extinct. Most of them went extinct before humans existed. One day humans will be extinct too.
kiteboy dave
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7 Nov 2013 8:34am
Virtually all the fault of pig-ignorant ancient chinese quackery that sees a big erect horn and says well if I eat some of that I'll have one too...
Cambodge
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7 Nov 2013 10:46am
GreenPat said..
Not that this isn't a bad thing to happen, it's a shame these animals are no longer around, but 99.x% of species that ever lived are also extinct. Most of them went extinct before humans existed. One day humans will be extinct too.


That's slippery path of logic, GreenPat! Next you'll be telling me I don't need to learn to nail my gybes for similar reasons!
Mark _australia
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7 Nov 2013 8:15am
kiteboy dave said..
Virtually all the fault of pig-ignorant ancient chinese quackery that sees a big erect horn and says well if I eat some of that I'll have one too...


Not everyone is as virile and talented as you and I David.
choco
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7 Nov 2013 11:22am
maybe we should have imported a few and let them run wild up the top end of OZ every introduced species up there seems to be doing quite nicely
Underoath
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7 Nov 2013 11:28am
Not a bad idea mate.

Perhaps we should get Twiggie to go and purchase all the Java Rhinos and settle them up north.

There is only around 40 left.




Carantoc
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7 Nov 2013 10:01am
More like Clive (MP)'s baby.

Maybe he could keep them in the same paddock as the Stegosaurus and Diplodocus

Maybe he could breed them for T-Rex meat.

If the T-Rex didn't like the taste maybe Gina could use them as finger food ?
Mobydisc
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7 Nov 2013 4:52pm
Perhaps the problem is these animals were worth more dead than alive. So it was in the self interest for the people inhabiting the areas where the Western Black Rhinoceros lived to go out and kill them. I don't know where these animals lived but perhaps it was in countries such as Zimbabwe where the the people have been impoverised by incompetant and corrupt post colonial governments. It sounds like the Western Black Rhinoceros is a sub species, so perhaps the species as a whole is not gone.

The answer to animal extincion, especially big animal extinction is to make them more valuable alive than dead so it is in our self interest to keep them alive. Humans can do more than act only in self interest but when its a choice between putting a meal on the table for your family and a wild animal roaming the bush, the animal will roam the bush for only so long.

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7 Nov 2013 3:25pm
Underoath said..

Not a bad idea mate.
Perhaps we should get Twiggie to go and purchase all the Java Rhinos and settle them up north.
There is only around 40 left.


Since there have just been 7000+ feral horses shot at Lake Gregory [W.A. Kimberlies],
and with another 3000 slated to go next year- you would think there should be enough room for a few refugee rhino's.

Realistically- would it be so hard to bring in a bunch of rhinos and let them loose?
The only problem I can see is red tape.
By the time the red tape industry does its thing [achieving very little] the rhinos would all be ground up and in a shop in China.

That + every man and his dog will be demanding govt. funding and kickbacks for feasability studies, progress reports, royalties for land access etc.

stephen

choco
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7 Nov 2013 6:05pm
sn said..

Underoath said..

Not a bad idea mate.
Perhaps we should get Twiggie to go and purchase all the Java Rhinos and settle them up north.
There is only around 40 left.


Since there have just been 7000+ feral horses shot at Lake Gregory [W.A. Kimberlies],
and with another 3000 slated to go next year- you would think there should be enough room for a few refugee rhino's.

Realistically- would it be so hard to bring in a bunch of rhinos and let them loose?
The only problem I can see is red tape.
By the time the red tape industry does its thing [achieving very little] the rhinos would all be ground up and in a shop in China.

That + every man and his dog will be demanding govt. funding and kickbacks for feasability studies, progress reports, royalties for land access etc.



stephen




we have rhino's here already in zoo's so wouldn't be that hard to let them loose but your right about red tape and all the leaches wanting to cash in on studies etc
Haydn24
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7 Nov 2013 5:42pm
Mobydisc said..

Perhaps the problem is these animals were worth more dead than alive. So it was in the self interest for the people inhabiting the areas where the Western Black Rhinoceros lived to go out and kill them. I don't know where these animals lived but perhaps it was in countries such as Zimbabwe where the the people have been impoverised by incompetant and corrupt post colonial governments. It sounds like the Western Black Rhinoceros is a sub species, so perhaps the species as a whole is not gone.

The answer to animal extincion, especially big animal extinction is to make them more valuable alive than dead so it is in our self interest to keep them alive. Humans can do more than act only in self interest but when its a choice between putting a meal on the table for your family and a wild animal roaming the bush, the animal will roam the bush for only so long.



I agree Mobydisc that they were worth more dead than alive, however I don't think it was the locals that drove them to extinction. It had to be the ridiculous amount of poaching that occured over the last 20-30 years. Corrupt governments certainly don't help the cause.

It's a shame this world revolves around money in every single aspect
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7 Nov 2013 3:54pm
choco said..
we have rhino's here already in zoo's so wouldn't be that hard to let them loose but your right about red tape and all the leaches wanting to cash in on studies etc


Even Twiggy would have his hands full setting up something like this without the govt. industry barging in and stuffing it up.

If Big Brother really wanted to do something- the rhinos would be rounded up, innoculated + dosed with fluoride
Then sent to Cocos island for a 3 month quarantine- and when cleared, dropped into the Kimberlies or wherever.
There are plenty of stations in the N/W that would love to cater for the tourism generated.

stephen

Mobydisc
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7 Nov 2013 7:34pm
Haydn24 said..

Mobydisc said..

Perhaps the problem is these animals were worth more dead than alive. So it was in the self interest for the people inhabiting the areas where the Western Black Rhinoceros lived to go out and kill them. I don't know where these animals lived but perhaps it was in countries such as Zimbabwe where the the people have been impoverised by incompetant and corrupt post colonial governments. It sounds like the Western Black Rhinoceros is a sub species, so perhaps the species as a whole is not gone.

The answer to animal extincion, especially big animal extinction is to make them more valuable alive than dead so it is in our self interest to keep them alive. Humans can do more than act only in self interest but when its a choice between putting a meal on the table for your family and a wild animal roaming the bush, the animal will roam the bush for only so long.



I agree Mobydisc that they were worth more dead than alive, however I don't think it was the locals that drove them to extinction. It had to be the ridiculous amount of poaching that occured over the last 20-30 years. Corrupt governments certainly don't help the cause.

It's a shame this world revolves around money in every single aspect


Who are the poachers? They are generally not hunters from the USA, China or Germany. The poachers are local people who are driven to hunt as most other avenues of employment are not available to them. They are just trying to survive. They certainly don't get rich out of killing rhinos.

I read the article and its quite self explanatory. The White Rhinoceros was almost wiped at the turn of the 20th century. However as it was seen they were worth more alive than dead, they are now back up to healthy numbers. This was under a government that allowed people to get on with making a living. However if South Africa goes down the tubes and people become desperate for a living or a meal, we can expect the White Rhino to be wiped out too.
knigit
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7 Nov 2013 5:28pm
Mobydisc said..

Who are the poachers? They are generally not hunters from the USA, China or Germany. The poachers are local people who are driven to hunt as most other avenues of employment are not available to them. They are just trying to survive. They certainly don't get rich out of killing rhinos.




Someone is getting very rich out of killing them mate.

Most of the locals are just snaring smaller animals for food rather than hunting for ivory or rhino horns.

At about $4000/kg horns and ivory is now majorly big business. Organised crime are going in after these animals by helicopter raids. A quick hit and run affair, the poachers are a ****en site better armed and trained than any of the govt. park and wildlife officers. Animals on game parks and reserves, private ranches nowhere is safe. There's too much ground to cover and there simply isn't enough money for the privately owned places or the public sentiment in Africa to protect the majority of them.

It's a sad state of affairs but in a few years the only wildlife in africa will be concentrated to a very few little private reserves.
Simondo
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7 Nov 2013 9:06pm
On a brighter note, the Western Lowland Gorilla's are doing better than thought. 125,000 of the buggers found hiding out up at Lake Tele, deep in the Congo...


www.wcs.org/our-work/species/gorillas
choco
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7 Nov 2013 8:53pm
Simondo said..

On a brighter note, the Western Lowland Gorilla's are doing better than thought. 125,000 of the buggers found hiding out up at Lake Tele, deep in the Congo...


www.wcs.org/our-work/species/gorillas


wow that's heaps
Carantoc
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7 Nov 2013 10:38pm
sn said..

......
Realistically- would it be so hard to bring in a bunch of rhinos and let them loose?
The only problem I can see is red tape.

....



The only problem you can see ?

I bet the bloke who brought a few cane toads in couldn't see a problem either
Or the bloke who brought a few little plants of lantana or rubber vine
Or the person who thought water buffalo would be good up north
Or the person who let a few horses out into the Kimberly
Or the windsurfer who first said "sure mate you can try kiting in our little pond"
......


poor relative
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7 Nov 2013 10:43pm
Mark _australia said..

kiteboy dave said..
Virtually all the fault of pig-ignorant ancient chinese quackery that sees a big erect horn and says well if I eat some of that I'll have one too...


Not everyone is as virile and talented as you and I David.


Don't bet on it buddy. I'm hung like a fkn horse.
jbshack
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7 Nov 2013 10:48pm
Haydn24 said..

edition.cnn.com/2011/11/10/world/africa/rhino-extinct-species-report/index.html

Good work world, once again proving that humanity is defined by selfish, arrogant ignorance.



Massive shame Even worse is it seems most don't even care
Mark _australia
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7 Nov 2013 11:02pm
poor relative said..
Mark _australia said..



kiteboy dave said..

Virtually all the fault of pig-ignorant ancient chinese quackery that sees a big erect horn and says well if I eat some of that I'll have one too...




Not everyone is as virile and talented as you and I David.


Don't bet on it buddy. I'm hung like a fkn horsefly.



OK. Lucky Mrs fly.
Mark _australia
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7 Nov 2013 11:08pm
Haydn24 said..
edition.cnn.com/2011/11/10/world/africa/rhino-extinct-species-report/index.html

Good work world, once again proving that humanity is defined by selfish, arrogant ignorance.



So back to this ^^^^^

Rhino is extinct as Chinese think the horn is an aphrodisiac and/or a cure for colds and flu. We mock that silly idea. (Rightly so)

Now. The world is also being raped of minerals and petroleum products as we (modern society in general) believe we must have the latest iPhone / iPad / surround wank sound flat screen, and a Thermomix to make meals for $2000, and a new car cos it has bluetooth and talks to us............
Is that any different to the Chinese wanting rhino horn or japs wanting whale steaks?

Selfish arrogant ignorance in spades. Yet we criticise them.









pierrec45
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8 Nov 2013 5:39am
Agreed with Mark. There's probably none of our life's luxury that don't damage the env't big time.

The list of those animals on the way out is depressing:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critically_endangered
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_in_the_wild
Skid
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8 Nov 2013 1:10pm
Mark _australia said..

Haydn24 said..
edition.cnn.com/2011/11/10/world/africa/rhino-extinct-species-report/index.html

Good work world, once again proving that humanity is defined by selfish, arrogant ignorance.



So back to this ^^^^^

Rhino is extinct as Chinese think the horn is an aphrodisiac and/or a cure for colds and flu. We mock that silly idea. (Rightly so)

Now. The world is also being raped of minerals and petroleum products as we (modern society in general) believe we must have the latest iPhone / iPad / surround wank sound flat screen, and a Thermomix to make meals for $2000, and a new car cos it has bluetooth and talks to us............
Is that any different to the Chinese wanting rhino horn or japs wanting whale steaks?

Selfish arrogant ignorance in spades. Yet we criticise them.











^^^ Edzackery...

choco
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8 Nov 2013 1:46pm
Mark _australia said..

Haydn24 said..
edition.cnn.com/2011/11/10/world/africa/rhino-extinct-species-report/index.html

Good work world, once again proving that humanity is defined by selfish, arrogant ignorance.



So back to this ^^^^^

Rhino is extinct as Chinese think the horn is an aphrodisiac and/or a cure for colds and flu. We mock that silly idea. (Rightly so)

Now. The world is also being raped of minerals and petroleum products as we (modern society in general) believe we must have the latest iPhone / iPad / surround wank sound flat screen, and a Thermomix to make meals for $2000, and a new car cos it has bluetooth and talks to us............
Is that any different to the Chinese wanting rhino horn or japs wanting whale steaks?

Selfish arrogant ignorance in spades. Yet we criticise them.











could we somehow conjure up a bull $hit story that cane toads give you the biggest hard on when eaten? over a billion Chinese could help get rid of the farkers
Beersy
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8 Nov 2013 3:26pm
choco said...
Mark _australia said..

Haydn24 said..
edition.cnn.com/2011/11/10/world/africa/rhino-extinct-species-report/index.html

Good work world, once again proving that humanity is defined by selfish, arrogant ignorance.



So back to this ^^^^^

Rhino is extinct as Chinese think the horn is an aphrodisiac and/or a cure for colds and flu. We mock that silly idea. (Rightly so)

Now. The world is also being raped of minerals and petroleum products as we (modern society in general) believe we must have the latest iPhone / iPad / surround wank sound flat screen, and a Thermomix to make meals for $2000, and a new car cos it has bluetooth and talks to us............
Is that any different to the Chinese wanting rhino horn or japs wanting whale steaks?

Selfish arrogant ignorance in spades. Yet we criticise them.











could we somehow conjure up a bull $hit story that cane toads give you the biggest hard on when eaten? over a billion Chinese could help get rid of the farkers


If you dry out dead cane toads and then peel the skin off their back you can smoke it, apparently this has hallucinogenic properties...

Maybe get the stoners onto it as well
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