The right to choose what you eat/drink

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petermac33
petermac33
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9 Aug 2011 1:30am
the owner manager is being held in custody with $100k bail----wtf.

this is the second time this market/shop has been raided,what is it that is so bad,or so good that they want to close it down?

from wiki,

Side-Effects of Pasteurization Unfortunately, pasteurization destroys some enzymes as well as possibly-beneficial microbes, though lower-temperature pasteurization may be effective and less destructive.[13] It is therefore possible, despite the safety it offers, that pasteurized milk is an inferior product, nutritionally, when compared to raw milk.





doggie
doggie
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9 Aug 2011 10:39am
Just because he thinks he is doing the right thing dosnt mean that it is the right thing to do. If you are going to sell dairy its got to be processed in the right way.

Cool name tho
SomeOtherGuy
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9 Aug 2011 1:39pm
petermac33 said...

what is it that is so bad,or so good that they want to close it down?

from wiki,

Side-Effects of Pasteurization Unfortunately, pasteurization destroys some enzymes as well as possibly-beneficial microbes, though lower-temperature pasteurization may be effective and less destructive.[13] It is therefore possible, despite the safety it offers, that pasteurized milk is an inferior product, nutritionally, when compared to raw milk.


Maybe it's this (the that bit you left out of that wiki page):

Diseases that pasteurization can prevent include tuberculosis, brucellosis, diphtheria, scarlet fever and Q-fever; it also kills the harmful bacteria Salmonella, Listeria, Yersinia, Campylobacter, Staphylococcus aureus, and Escherichia coli 157 [11][12] among others.


They were raided because they are breaking the law. The law was set up to help prevent the diseases listed above.

If these guys want to sell unpasteurised milk then they should probably do what's been done successfully in some European countries and lobby the government for exemptions.
felixdcat
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9 Aug 2011 11:41am
Nanny state, you should be able to eat or drink what you want! Raw cheese is the best cheese in the world, pasteurized cheese is dead cheese!
Little Jon
Little Jon
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9 Aug 2011 1:48pm
I want the right to drive as fast as I want filled up to the eye balls with grog.nanny state?
SomeOtherGuy
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9 Aug 2011 2:12pm
felixdcat said...

Nanny state, you should be able to eat or drink what you want! Raw cheese is the best cheese in the world, pasteurized cheese is dead cheese!


I don't disagree with raw milk products being available. If you want it so much, hassle the government to allow exemptions. With warnings so you know you're getting a raw product (if I want to take a risk then that should be fine - but I want to know I'm taking a risk).

But flouting the law is another issue altogether.
choco
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9 Aug 2011 2:17pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

felixdcat said...

Nanny state, you should be able to eat or drink what you want! Raw cheese is the best cheese in the world, pasteurized cheese is dead cheese!


I don't disagree with raw milk products being available. If you want it so much, hassle the government to allow exemptions. With warnings so you know you're getting a raw product (if I want to take a risk then that should be fine - but I want to know I'm taking a risk).

But flouting the law is another issue altogether.


or buy a cow or goat and suck on the tit every day
doggie
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9 Aug 2011 1:34pm
choco said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

felixdcat said...

Nanny state, you should be able to eat or drink what you want! Raw cheese is the best cheese in the world, pasteurized cheese is dead cheese!


I don't disagree with raw milk products being available. If you want it so much, hassle the government to allow exemptions. With warnings so you know you're getting a raw product (if I want to take a risk then that should be fine - but I want to know I'm taking a risk).

But flouting the law is another issue altogether.


or buy a cow or goat and suck on the tit every day


Id rather just suck on a tit who gives a sh!t about the milk (.(.)
SomeOtherGuy
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9 Aug 2011 3:36pm
choco, what you do in the privacy of your own home... well, it ain't none of my business, that's for sure!
FlySurfer
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9 Aug 2011 3:54pm
I had a nightmare the other night... scared the fark out of me.

I woke (in the dream) and I was a cow trapped in a cage.
I said this isn't right and tried to wake up again (in the dream) and I was still the cow trapped in the pen with fluorescent lights over me and more cows in pens around me.
I tried moving and I was penned in... I freaked out and then woke up for real.

Scariest nightmare I can remember... we really need to ban the caging of animals.

BTW: raw milk is soooooo much better. Raw foods all the way!



cisco
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11 Aug 2011 2:42am
FlySurfer said...
BTW: raw milk is soooooo much better. Raw foods all the way!


Absolutely. Cream straight from the dairy doesn't need to be whipped after a day in the fridge. Yum

busterwa
busterwa
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11 Aug 2011 1:34am
Bunkie backyard job keep the mainstream of milk to the general public monitored and safe.
The government has implemented procedures to create a safe standard to prevent sickness and death .

milk is being stored in bottles without temp control no date etc.....
didn't comply with health regulations. GOOD shut it down.

may save a few deaths
mainstream media making a mound hill out of a mountain for ratings and popularity.
GalahOnTheBay
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11 Aug 2011 2:43pm
busterwa said...

mainstream media making a mound hill out of a mountain for ratings and popularity.


lies.

That would never happen...
theDoctor
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12 Aug 2011 3:33pm
Little Jon said...

I want the right to drive as fast as I want filled up to the eye balls with grog.nanny state?


No, you're just a complete tool and have no place in a society based upon the respect of it's own citizens... Please drive that car of yours into a large volume of deep water.

Www.notmilk.com
barn
barn
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12 Aug 2011 2:17pm
petermac33 said...


from wiki,

Side-Effects of Pasteurization Unfortunately, pasteurization destroys some enzymes as well as possibly-beneficial microbes, though lower-temperature pasteurization may be effective and less destructive.[13] It is therefore possible, despite the safety it offers, that pasteurized milk is an inferior product, nutritionally, when compared to raw milk.




It breaks down Enzymes into sugars, that our body does ANYWAY... And it kills Good Microbes?? **** me it kills Bad Microbes as well... Thats the whole point..

Only a small genetic population of adults can drink Milk.. It's an adaptation we have evolved only after the domestication of Cows and Goats.. It's not natural to start with, it's just stupidity to think processed Pasteurized milk is some how more un-natural than drinking straight from a Cows boob.. The benefits of Milk come from it's nutrients not the Lactose Enzyme or the 'Good Bacteria' (what a stupid catch phrase)

From understanding Evolution,
evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/070401_lactose

Got lactase?
April 2007

In the US and many other countries, we've certainly "got milk," but not everyone can enjoy it. For around 10% of Americans, 10% of Africa's Tutsi tribe, 50% of Spanish and French people, and 99% of Chinese, a tall cold glass of milk means an upset stomach and other unpleasant digestive side effects. In fact, most adults in the world are lactose intolerant and cannot digest lactose, the primary sugar in milk. And yet, regardless of our ancestry, most of us began our lives happily drinking milk from a bottle or breast - so what happened in the intervening time? Why do so many babies enjoy lactose and so many adults avoid it? Lactose is broken down by a protein called lactase, which acts as a pair of molecular scissors, snipping the lactose molecule in two. Anyone who drank milk as a baby carries a working version of the gene that codes for lactase. In lactose tolerant individuals, that gene keeps working into adulthood, producing the protein that digests lactose and makes eating ice cream a pleasant experience. But in people who are lactose intolerant, that lactase gene is switched off after weaning. Now, new research reveals that the Stone Age ancestors of European dairy-lovers probably couldn't digest milk either. So how did they get from bellyaches to milk mustaches? The answer is an evolutionary story that takes us from the milkmaids of the Alps to the Maasai herdsmen of Africa.


Coincidentally the gene for Lactose tolerance in Human populations is directly followed by the Gene for Lactose tolerance in Cat populations..
felixdcat
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12 Aug 2011 4:14pm
cisco said...

FlySurfer said...
BTW: raw milk is soooooo much better. Raw foods all the way!


Absolutely. Cream straight from the dairy doesn't need to be whipped after a day in the fridge. Yum



And raw milk made cheese is 200% better tasting with a nicer texture!

SomeOtherGuy
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12 Aug 2011 7:03pm
cisco said...

FlySurfer said...
BTW: raw milk is soooooo much better. Raw foods all the way!


Absolutely. Cream straight from the dairy doesn't need to be whipped after a day in the fridge. Yum




Is that because it's sour cream by then
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
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13 Aug 2011 4:08pm
petermac33 said...

the owner manager is being held in custody with $100k bail----wtf.

this is the second time this market/shop has been raided,what is it that is so bad,or so good that they want to close it down?


Second time eh? So that just tells me he didn't learn his lesson the first time, and should not be let off lightly.

The law is the law. Don't like it? Find somewhere else to live.

Luck this place isn't in Australia as this kind of thing would never happen here!
laceys lane
laceys lane
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13 Aug 2011 4:38pm
hmmm, they are prompt and onto it. makes me think someone is pushing someone elses buttons

shouldn't they be raiding shops that sell tobacco and alcohol too - dangerous goods
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