Understanding the seabreeze better

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kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
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NSW, 692 posts
16 Sep 2011 9:44pm
I understand how and why seabreees work, but a few questions i cant seem to find the answer is.

1. why does a seabreeze blow from the north east on the east coast, and the south west from the west coast?

2. Why doesnt it come from the south east in eastern australia, and why doesnt it com from the north west in western australia?

3. Which direction does a seabreeze come from in northern territory and south australia, and why?


I hope someone could share some light.





Jradedmondo
Jradedmondo
NSW
637 posts
NSW, 637 posts
16 Sep 2011 9:58pm
i was alwas under the idea that a seabreeze was called so as the breeze was blowing from the sea, the wind just blows more in cetain directions at different times of the year in different locations

Jarryd
hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
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ACT, 2174 posts
16 Sep 2011 10:15pm
has a lot to do with the coleus effect and which side of the continent you are on
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
16 Sep 2011 11:50pm
Hey hamburglar,

Being in the ACT, which direction does your seabreeze kick in.

I goooooogled your suggestion, came up with this.

www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=23200

Thanks for educating me.

Lol

Kr
hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
2174 posts
ACT, 2174 posts
17 Sep 2011 2:53am
ummmmm sorry my mistake to much " tequila" i ment Coriolis effect ....didn't know the other existed
bloody google " hicup "

try Coriolis effect
and Eotvo effect

you can't see breeze in the ACT you can only feel it

not only spirals horizontally but also vertically down the coast

coming home from work (nsw)have seen blowingWNW,then got to the beach
and a 25kn NEer is pumping
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
17 Sep 2011 8:10am
Can anybody explain why we only get bluebottles on a N.Easter ?
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
17 Sep 2011 10:41am
Scotty88 said...

Can anybody explain why we only get bluebottles on a N.Easter ?



The NE seabreeze (east coast) does all sorts of weird things to the coastal ocean currents. Have you ever noticed the water gets colder on a NE? This is what brings in the blueys!
hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
2174 posts
ACT, 2174 posts
17 Sep 2011 10:55am
Bigwavedave said...

Scotty88 said...

Can anybody explain why we only get bluebottles on a N.Easter ?



The NE seabreeze (east coast) does all sorts of weird things to the coastal ocean currents. Have you ever noticed the water gets colder on a NE? This is what brings in the blueys!



plus the big air sack acts as a sail
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
17 Sep 2011 11:35am
hamburglar said...

Bigwavedave said...

Scotty88 said...

Can anybody explain why we only get bluebottles on a N.Easter ?



The NE seabreeze (east coast) does all sorts of weird things to the coastal ocean currents. Have you ever noticed the water gets colder on a NE? This is what brings in the blueys!



plus the big air sack acts as a sail


Where are they when it blows SE ?
Where do they come from ?
Got me knackered.

barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
WA, 2960 posts
17 Sep 2011 12:52pm
I'll have a stab..



This is a seabreeze system for both Geraldton and Gerroa... Gerroa works off the back of the high, while Geraldton works off the front of a high.. The wind at ground level does not travel along the isobars (in Red), but outwards at an angle (blue).. Then the land heating up in summer does some funky updrafts, and you get cold air coming in from the sea to fill the void.. This is a seabreeze.. It's not just wind from the sea, it's a specific system..

It's the same basic system australia wide, but the eventual direction changes because the land is at a different angle..


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I heard on Totally Wild that bluebottles travel with their inflated sails, and after a few days of strong NE winds, all the bluebottles on a particular tack will get washed onto the coast.. Other Bluebottles on a different tack sail off in a different direction..
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2574 posts
NSW, 2574 posts
17 Sep 2011 3:42pm
barn said...

I'll have a stab..



This is a seabreeze system for both Geraldton and Gerroa... Gerroa works off the back of the high, while Geraldton works off the front of a high.. The wind at ground level does not travel along the isobars (in Red), but outwards at an angle (blue).. Then the land heating up in summer does some funky updrafts, and you get cold air coming in from the sea to fill the void.. This is a seabreeze.. It's not just wind from the sea, it's a specific system..

It's the same basic system australia wide, but the eventual direction changes because the land is at a different angle..


-------------------

I heard on Totally Wild that bluebottles travel with their inflated sails, and after a few days of strong NE winds, all the bluebottles on a particular tack will get washed onto the coast.. Other Bluebottles on a different tack sail off in a different direction..





yeah there was a thesis done on this bluebottle thing about which way their sail faced, and i think it coincided with one about rubber thongs sailing on different tacks as well.
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
17 Sep 2011 5:24pm


Whats with those crazy blue snail shells you see washed up with the blue bottles...?

Those things are crazy blue
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
17 Sep 2011 8:35pm
interestingly (just my own observaions), here in SEQ, this following kind of synoptic seems to give us the greatest chance of a seabreeze - an inland trough heading towards the coast + a large distance between isobars over us + 30degrees-ish air temp or more. It doesn't seem to matter if there are low or high pressure systems influencing it



if we don't have a trough present, it doesn't seem to matter how hot it is, it never seems to blow hard

if we're lucky enough to get a tightly wrapped isobar pressure system that aids it, maybe it's just a bonus?
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
17 Sep 2011 9:08pm
Straight from Seabreeze help section

Seabreezes...

Cold sinks, heat rises. It's the concept that makes hot air balloons work, and why your vegies are at the bottom of the fridge. During a summer day, the land is heated by the sun, and this heat is absorbed by the surrounding air. Once this air meets a particular temperature, it begins to rise quite rapidly. As a result, a low pressure area is created at ground level. The sea doesn't heat up as quickly as the land, so the air temperature over the water is much less. As a result, this air is free to move sideways to occupy our new low pressure area. The result is a light to gale force wind which rushes in from the sea to fill the lower pressure area left by the hot air rising from the land. Seabreezes usually happen in spring and summer, when the difference in temperature between land and sea is greatest.

Seabreezes are the most amazing phenonenom. For many years I never really paid much attention to the wind. One day, we arrived (late) at the local river to do some water skiing. It was around 1pm, the water was glassy - perfect conditions. Then, me mate Mick says "Here comes the seabreeze...". Looking across the river we could see an approaching line of rough water. And then it hit us full on - the full glory of a 25 knot seabreeze.

What's even more amazing is that the wind can be travelling faster than the front of the seabreeze. It can be progressing inland at 25 km/h, but the actual wind can be blowing at 35 km/h! Sometimes the seabreeze can reach many kilometers inland, and other days it teases you by staying just offshore, coming in, and then going out again.

So to get a seabreeze, it needs to be hot inland. But too hot and you won't get one at all. To explain why this is the case, we need to understand high's and low's and the squiqqly charts they show on the telly called 'Synoptic Charts'.
wodgina6722
wodgina6722
229 posts
229 posts
17 Sep 2011 7:15pm
I asked the forum a few years ago...how far out does the Perth sea breeze start?

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