West 105 epoxy resin and aluminium dust

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Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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5 Nov 2012 7:43pm
Anyone using it...? I can't find what I need to know with googling so here we go...

I have 400 mesh aluminium dust that I am mixing with West resins to cast and fill. I make it into a paste with quite a lot of aluminium.
Now I want to use it as a gelcoat in a mould - so it will be my first coat onto the plug before I glass it. I have not done that before, I have only used it for casting where strength is irrelevant.

West 420 additive is designed to increase abrasion resistance so it is ideal, but if it is aluminium dust with 1% other crap (seems it is) then I will stick with what I have.

West 420 specs say to mix it at 5 - 10% by volume. Umm, I've been using aluminium dust at about 50% when casting and it goes off fine.
Usually the maximum mix is because any more filler added and it won't go off properly. In this case I know I can add sh!tloads more and it will go off just fine and set rock hard.

Maybe max abrasion resistance is acheived at 5 - 10% though - as any more and it is too much alum, and any less it is all resin.

Anyone know why they specify such a low amount of 420 additive? I am guessing you CAN use heaps more, but 5-10% is max abrasion resistance?

I want to mix it as thick as I can to make it not sag on the plug - but not if I lose the benefits of the alum dust (namely abrasion resistance)

FormulaNova
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5 Nov 2012 7:52pm
Are they specifying that % in order to retain a certain strength of the epoxy itself? In other words, is that the maximum abrasion resistance, while achieving a certain minimum strength?


Mark _australia
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5 Nov 2012 8:41pm
Good point - never considered that it may be the amount of additive giving maximum effect, whilst maintaining flexibility and/or tensile strength etc

Of course I can't find any of this - only a ratio .... and not why
oceanfire
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6 Nov 2012 1:48pm
Sounds like you're doing something interesting!

What sort of things do you make Mark?
doggie
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6 Nov 2012 1:50pm
oceanfire said...
Sounds like you're doing something interesting!

What sort of things do you make Mark?


Top secret
oceanfire
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6 Nov 2012 1:53pm
Aww, don't be like that, I can keep a secret
doggie
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6 Nov 2012 1:54pm
oceanfire said...
Aww, don't be like that, I can keep a secret


Well its like this .............................. I dont know
CMC
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6 Nov 2012 3:56pm
Geez Doggie it's obvious he's making moulded and casted Epoxy and aluminum dust things.
doggie
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6 Nov 2012 1:58pm
CMC said...
Geez Doggie it's obvious he's making moulded and casted Epoxy and aluminum dust things.


Ive got an idea but Im not real sure, I think you are close
oceanfire
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6 Nov 2012 2:03pm
doggie said...
oceanfire said...
Aww, don't be like that, I can keep a secret


Well its like this .............................. I dont know




doggie
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6 Nov 2012 2:20pm
^^^ LOL cute doggie
Mark _australia
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6 Nov 2012 5:55pm
nothing exciting fellas :)

Epoxy and alum dust made up thick basically makes die cast metal - like dinky cars.

It is nice and hard.

I am making a new mould for a product and you want the mould to be nice and hard and scratch resistant to turn out lots of individual items from it. Usually you use "tooling resin" but West only does that in 5L at about $200, smaller qty's is not available which is bullsh!tfarkin so I am going to use epoxy alum dust for my first coat.

I know it will make a mould better than straight resin but have only ever used epoxy / alum for filling and in special cast applications.



doggie
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6 Nov 2012 5:57pm
Mark _australia said...
nothing exciting fellas :)

Epoxy and alum dust made up thick basically makes die cast metal - like dinky cars.

It is nice and hard.

I am making a new mould for a product and you want the mould to be nice and hard and scratch resistant to turn out lots of individual items from it. Usually you use "tooling resin" but West only does that in 5L at about $200, smaller qty's is not available which is bullsh!tfarkin so I am going to use epoxy alum dust for my first coat.

I know it will make a mould better than straight resin but have only ever used epoxy / alum for filling and in special cast applications.






For a stock?
Mark _australia
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6 Nov 2012 6:07pm
Dogster, yes the new mould is for a stock.

(Sold the last two)

I have used epoxy and alum dust for certain applications on the inside of said product, which is a trade secret :)


doggie
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6 Nov 2012 6:29pm
Mark _australia said...
Dogster, yes the new mould is for a stock.

(Sold the last two)

I have used epoxy and alum dust for certain applications on the inside of said product, which is a trade secret :)





Im with ya
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