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Stone Age
Stone Age
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
21 Dec 2009 3:37pm
What would YOU do if your Doctor told you that the arthritis in your neck which was restricting your throat was also squeezing your spinal cord and therefore you should IMMEDIATELY give up your favorite sport of Windsurfing (or whatever) because you could end up a paraplegic?

Would you
A. Give it up
B. Stop wearing your life jacket, that way if your spinal cord snaps you"lll drown (better option than paraplegic)
C. Just continue as if she/he didnt say it anyway
D. Take up an alternative sport .....but what can compare?

At the moment I am windsurfing 3 to 4 times a week and am really strong and fit.
And LOVING it.
S.A.
thommo 000
thommo 000
1670 posts
1670 posts
21 Dec 2009 12:57pm
get a second opinion for a start
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
21 Dec 2009 4:13pm
^ what thommo said...and to add...

...I reckon there'd be a few paraplegics that would argue that life albeit without the use of limbs is better than death.
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
21 Dec 2009 3:45pm
second opinion [}:)] irish male to doctor at prostate examination.....

" Dockk....could yuu plase use two weee fingers....?? I want a second opinion ..!!!"

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
21 Dec 2009 1:39pm
(1) second opinion from an expert in spinal cord stuff
(2) consider vertebrae fusing op? ...... won't be able to move your neck as much but can still windsurf etc
Stone Age
Stone Age
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
21 Dec 2009 4:42pm
First opinion was ten years ago. Physio said I would prob end up a paraplegic but keep windsurfing cos it would keep me fit. Also had a barium swallow and you can clearly see the throat restriction. And I keep on "ricking" my neck, I get this intense pain through my head (not on the water) and have to stop what I'm doing until it passes. Am going to have a ct scan so that should answer the question. But seriously, I can't even contemplate giving it up. I need the exercise, nothing else compares, nothing else apart from snow skiing is fun (and that's dangerous too apparently - cant give that up either) and I find it hard to sleep unless I'm satisfyingly exhausted from 2-3 hours in the salt water. And I'm getting better at ws all the time. I just LOVE it. Seeing I can't get a job either, too old apparently, so its my life at the moment.
Re being a pp, that would be ok cos I could use my arms, but I guess it could be a quadraplegic if I get catapaulted cos the arthritis is in the neck. Not so great.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
21 Dec 2009 4:59pm
Stoneage,

I badly injured my back at work last January and had to have an operation on it. My physio said I shouldn't windsurf anymore. After a few months rest I'm getting out there again and everytime I windsurf my back feels better afterwards than when I began.

So as with the above, get a second opinion and possibly ask what actions in windsurfing is aggrevating the arthritis. I doubt there is much movement in the next during windsurfing that doesn't happen in normal day to day life.

Its best not to seek medical advice on an Internet forum but the advice given above is great, get a second opinion.
buzuc
buzuc
NSW
30 posts
NSW, 30 posts
21 Dec 2009 5:55pm
D. Take up an alternative sport .....but what can compare?

Gliding !

less muscles used i reckon but the feeling to glide at 4000m with no noise except the wind on the wings

And if you like adrenalin just try a few aerobatics with a 18meters wingspan epoxy bird
The other option to get a bit of adrenalin is to be stuck 100 kms away from the airfield at 1200m above ground level with a mountain between you and the airfield. And of course to keep it challenging : climbing at 0.2m/s because it's the end of the day and there is no lift at all
Landing at the airfield succesfully after a 4hours fight with some sinking air and just before the aeronautical dawn is something you have to live once... (or twice, or...)
That day I lost 3 kilos and spent 10 hours in my white wings.
petermac33
petermac33
WA
6415 posts
WA, 6415 posts
21 Dec 2009 3:29pm
get many opinions from people in different fields.

my friend who has played tennis all his 50 years had pain in hip area. was told by g.p he will need two hip replacement ops if he continues to play. he was devastated....went to i think a chiropractor, his movement was out of alignment . has been walking,running a different way and now feels no pain.

perhaps when you sail, use a smaller sail, bigger board combo. this smaller sail should reduce the stress/force on your body.

become a health freak, eat organic food only.

listened to great interview from preventdisease.com/home/home.shtml

he tested organic apple and non organic apple and found organic apple had 4 times the neutrient level of non organic. it would not surprise me.

type superfoods into y/tube, may help to improve your general health and problem.

cut,burn and drug is orthodox medicine.....stay as far away from that as you can and goodluck and keep w/surfing.

c,b +d stands for cut=surgery...burn=radiation...drug=pharma poison.

ginger pom
ginger pom
VIC
1746 posts
VIC, 1746 posts
21 Dec 2009 6:50pm
you could wear one of these

http://www.dirtbikebitz.com/2009-thor-protection-2009-thor-neck-protection-c-2015_2037_2047.html

your doctor doesn't know what sort of impacts windsurfing will cause. People get worse whiplash getting rear ended in their cars.

I would suggest sailing WITHOUT a helmet. I found that head hitting water with a helmet caused more whiplash than without (helmet makes your head bigger and rounder)

You could strengthen your neck - talk to a physio. Having strong neck muscles will prevent injury.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
21 Dec 2009 9:43pm
If it's turning your neck so you can look forward, that's causing the problem. A sliding harness bar could help, this allows you to twist the whole body, so the neck doesn't have to turn any where near as much.
I use a DaKine seat harness, it has the option of converting to sliding bar, when I did this, my neck felt much better after a long session.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
22 Dec 2009 11:29am
I hesitate to ask but have you tried the various folk remedies and what have you?
Green lip muscle was one if I recall correctly and omega 3 oil.

There must be something you can do about it. Its hard to believe that medical science is stumped by arthritis.
lungs
lungs
QLD
492 posts
QLD, 492 posts
22 Dec 2009 10:04pm
Stone Age,

I feel for you, giving up something you live for is fing hard to do, I know I have had to do it.
But first get 2nd,3rd,4th,.............medical opinions until you find the one your happy with or happy with the person giving the opinion.
But if you must give it away, here's what I did.

In the beginning of the end, I would load up the van head down to the beach,rig up and drag the gear to the waters edge, sit on the beach for awhile to recover, get out for 100m or so, totally exhausted lungs screaming for air, fall of, sit on board and recover, try to water start couldn't get up, to hard, drift back to the beach, pack up, go home crying and swearing my head off.

After doing this a number of times, I decided to sell all my gear as quick as possible
(someone got a good deal) I also didn't go anywhere near the beach when the wind was really kicking in. I would still get that feeling when the wind was blowing but I didn't have any gear. After a couple of years I lost that feeling and even started to get pissed off with the strong winds blowing across my back deck. I basicly didn't think about anything to do with the wind or ocean. Initially it was like a big mind game between my head wanting to do it and my body saying foff. Eventually the body persuaded the head to change its way of thinking.

My story is a little different to yours as I have been fortunate enough to be able to start sailing again, but I have always fouund that hearing about other people and how they handle things helps to clear the head( if you disagree, I'm happy for you to tell me to foff) Stay positive and keep smiling

ps
I have cystic fibrosis(a genetically inherited lung disease) and until july2004 my last sail was in 2000.
I had a double lung transplant in April 2004.

It would not have been possible without the generousity of my donor and his/her family.

Sorry to anyone who thinks this is way to deep or heavy for these threads

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
22 Dec 2009 8:13pm
lungs said...

Sorry to anyone who thinks this is way to deep or heavy for these threads




No way, anyone who thinks it is too deep can get ****ed.
It is refreshing to have an opinion from somebody who knows what it is like... and that is what the O.P asked for. Not the usual rubbish from trollers

I got upset about a season off due to injury, then again 3 yrs later, and you have put it in perspective!

Best wishes with continuing recovery and hope you can continue to sail
petermac33
petermac33
WA
6415 posts
WA, 6415 posts
23 Dec 2009 5:32am
lungs....''i had a double lung transplant in 2004''.

and to think i get frustrated/angry/psycho sometimes, when i get a bad call from umpire when playing squash.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
25 Dec 2009 11:50pm
j murray said...

second opinion [}:)] irish male to doctor at prostate examination.....

" Dockk....could yuu plase use two weee fingers....?? I want a second opinion ..!!!"




advice to those getting a prostate exam-make sure doctors hands arent on your shoulders
Scottda
Scottda
WA
32 posts
WA, 32 posts
26 Dec 2009 11:04am
Hey S.A.,

A second opinion, even a third opinion is always a good idea. You may not get a different prognosis, but you might find a Doc who will say, OK this guy wants to windsurf, what can we do for him that will reduce the risk? Alternatively be prepared for the same opinion. When/if you seek a third opinion, tell them you've only come to see if they know of a way for you to keep sailing with minimal risk. Also make sure they are the best in their field, do your homework first.

I've got a progressive ataxia (balance, strength disorder) and if no more windsurfing meant I wouldn't end up in a wheelchair, I'd quit windsurfing today. Thats me and different circumstances, but I know there are other things than windsurfing. My Doc also told me to keep windsurfing was dangerous, but I've seen enough Docs to know they have to be cautious. So I said I'm going to keep windsurfing and I'm doing a, b & c to keep me safe. He thought about it and though he didn't say OK, he didin't say no! So whilst I can I sail, crash, sail, crash, sail, crash, crash, crash and love it. So don't forget or stop telling the Docs what you want, there may be a way.

Definitely option D if all else fails.
sinker
sinker
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
26 Dec 2009 3:13pm
Hi Stone Age,

Sorry to hear about your situation. I can't offer any medical advice except to agree with the previous posts regarding consulting a specialist.

I was in a similar situation a couple of years ago when I broke my neck speedsailing.
(BTW Haggar another Seabreeze regular also broke his at the same time!)

My first spinal specialist gave me the impression that I had been very lucky and would be an idiot to go back to windsurfing

I later engaged a different spinal surgeon for advice on my recovery and he initially advised me not to sail again. However when I explained how important windsurfing is to me he conceded that he had seen similar injuries to professional rugby players and allowed them to return to the game because it was their livelihood.

He said that I could re-injure my neck in a car accident but didn't suggest I avoid car travel because '...you have to use cars don't you?....' to which i replied '...no i could take a bus but i do have to windsurf...' He did eventually say I was probably at no greater risk of re injury after recovery.

I made the decision to get back on the water as soon as it was safe to do so, I got rid of all my speed/slalom gear and now use wave gear only and try to keep the speed / impacts down to a minimum.

Gliding also sounds pretty exciting....

Let us know how you get on

Good luck












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