Why not Ebay or Gumtree

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fingerbone
fingerbone
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5 Nov 2012 8:56pm
Personally I bought from Seabreeze however I can not see any reason for not purchasing a kite on E-bay or Gumtree.

This site seems dead against this....Why?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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5 Nov 2012 6:17pm
Maybe cos Laurie gets $14 for every ad with a pic on here? (For all his HARD WORK mind you)

But the main reason - a small community like this is safe.
I'd have no dramas sending $1000 to somebody who had been here a while, knowing that the board or whatever will be as described and actually SENT.

How many Gumtree ads would you say that about?



GypsyDrifter
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5 Nov 2012 6:26pm
Mark _australia said...
Maybe cos Laurie gets $14 for every ad worth a pic on here? (For all his HARD WORK mind you)

But the main reason - a small community like this is safe.
I'd have no dramas sending $1000 to somebody who had been here a while, knowing that the board or whatever will be as described and actually SENT.

How many Gumtree ads would you say that about?


Would you actually buy an item from another state?
when you more than likely could get it from here...
would you really spend extra money on postage? Marky Mark
Sailhack
Sailhack
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5 Nov 2012 9:52pm
Nothing wrong with ebay or gumtree but I know that sb has like-minded water enthusiasts so it has always been a good experience buying and selling here.
Mark _australia
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5 Nov 2012 7:04pm
GypsyDrifter said...
Mark _australia said...
Maybe cos Laurie gets $14 for every ad worth a pic on here? (For all his HARD WORK mind you)

But the main reason - a small community like this is safe.
I'd have no dramas sending $1000 to somebody who had been here a while, knowing that the board or whatever will be as described and actually SENT.

How many Gumtree ads would you say that about?


Would you actually buy an item from another state?
when you more than likely could get it from here...
would you really spend extra money on postage? Marky Mark


SB, much like a couple of other Aussie hobby forums I frequent, is full of like-minded individuals who through their posting show their true names and occupations and pics etc..... and the fact that they know other people on here.... so they are findable (real people!) unlike Gumtree or eBay

I have bought on here to the tune of $1000 sent to somebody I don't know, and it was fine.
Likewise, on another forum I have sold a product I make, to a bloke who knows nothing about me and he was happy to give me $1000 sight-unseen **as the very first buyer of that product**, with no reviews.

(This may put into perspective why I go off about trolling knobs with fake names who ruin the 'small community experience' but that's another story lol)

fingerbone
fingerbone
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5 Nov 2012 10:07pm
See what I mean. I got red thumbs for Asking the question.
Strange as it may be I have seen the same kite for sale on both SB and Gumtree.
What's the comeback for that scenario??
Mobydisc
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5 Nov 2012 10:10pm
eBay isn't that cheap to sell on anymore. However I like the auction structure. Whenever selling there I normally start the auction at 99 cents. If the item is remotely of worth then this low price takes someone's interest. Before you know it a few people are bidding and the price keeps rising.

I sold a board like this and I was very happy with the price I received. So I threw in a few extras like a mast and fins.

Then eBay hit me with the bill.......

Gumtree seems to attract cheapscates.

laurie
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5 Nov 2012 9:18pm
fingerbone said...

Personally I bought from Seabreeze however I can not see any reason for not purchasing a kite on E-bay or Gumtree.

This site seems dead against this....Why?


Great question!

1) It's usually cheaper.. ebay fees will usually exceed $14 -

e.g. Ebay have a $3.00 listing fee, and then you pay 8% upon sale (i.e. $80 for selling a $1000 item). If you sell anything over $250, it's going to cost more than here. Gumtree is "free", but then charge you on the back-end for bumping/promo etc.

2) ebay and gumtree (owned by ebay) are both overseas ventures - I think it's it's great that we have some great online businesses that service Australian's that are actually in Australia!

3) Besides all that .. if you're selling gear, Seabreeze is the place that will get it sold ... you know it's going to a huge audience of people interested in your sport, rather than some generic Buy & Sell listing site.. i.e. it works.

Over 4500 testimonials to this fact.. some listed here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Classifieds/Testimonials.aspx

Hope we can sell something for you too some day, fingerbone!
doggie
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5 Nov 2012 7:29pm
Ive bought and sold a fair few surfboards on SB, there is less hassle eg scammers and most people that I deal with are local and pick up their gear in person. Gumtree is a nightmare, ebay Ive only used once and was fine, but I only used it because the item I was selling was a collectable and it needed a wide audience. It worked very well for that but general stuff like boards SB every time mate
Mark _australia
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5 Nov 2012 7:33pm
fingerbone said...
See what I mean. I got red thumbs for Asking the question.


I think the red thumbs were for saying "this site seems against dead against it"

This site is free and made by the hard work of a watersports enthusiast, later helped by the programming knowledge and hard work of a couple of volunteer mods who get nothing.

I'd hardly say SB.com.au or Laurie is "against" you advertising on Gumtree or eBay ........ but I reckon anyone with a bit of local pride or loyaltly to the local product, would use SB. Especially as an ad with no pics is free!!!
geared4knots
geared4knots
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5 Nov 2012 11:29pm
i will say one thing, if you are selling, not everyone knows about seabreeze until they are 'in the scene'. i.e beginning in their chosen sport/interest.
advertise on all if you really want to attract a potential buyer.
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
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6 Nov 2012 1:11am
ebay has buyer protection.
Is there anyway to know a SB advert is legit?
What if it's by somebody who only just joined?

Just asking, don't flame me.
Mark _australia
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5 Nov 2012 10:36pm
FlySurfer said...
ebay has buyer protection.
Is there anyway to know a SB advert is legit?
What if it's by somebody who only just joined?

Just asking, don't flame me.


Like I said, small community. Once somebody has say 100 posts in a year, and a mate of mine knows somebody who seems to know he is a surfer from Wooblegobonadatta - then I reckon it is way better than "HongKongdirectto YOUaussie" on Ebay, regardless of his rating.

Then again, like I said, some others choose to come here and be c0cks and lucky they are obvious enough with their trash posts that they won't be able to trade much.

New users - no guarantee.

Another site I frequent does a users 'trader rating" and read stuff like "I bought from him and it was spot on", or "slow to pay and expects the world"
I don't see that would work here as we don't sell enough stuff (per person I mean)
pweedas
pweedas
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5 Nov 2012 11:13pm
Hey I've been here for years.
Anybody wanna buy my jousting sticks?
Mark _australia
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5 Nov 2012 11:49pm

pweedas said...
Hey I've been here for years.
Anybody wanna buy my jousting sticks?


I don't have a pool room. I'll see how I go in the 100mil tomorrow man
GreenPat
GreenPat
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6 Nov 2012 6:20am
pweedas said...
Hey I've been here for years.
Anybody wanna buy my jousting sticks?



What do you want for them?
Scotty88
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6 Nov 2012 5:12am
pweedas said...
Hey I've been here for years.
Anybody wanna buy my jousting sticks?


"Tell him he's dreamin".
poor relative
poor relative
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6 Nov 2012 8:12am
Imagine running into your local pub where the locals have been drinking and socialising for 10 years and where the owner of the pub is mates with lots of the customers and saying - You blokes why don't you drink in the pub down the road its so much better.

Do you think you'd be 'red thumbed' ?
fingerbone
fingerbone
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6 Nov 2012 12:31pm
In my original question I said this site meaning the majority of people on this site not Admin
crustysailor
crustysailor
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6 Nov 2012 12:39pm
I've posted a few ad's here and also ebay.

The best value has been on SB, more than happy to part with $14 even if the eventual sale was via ebay.

I'd prefer to have 50 genuine ad hits from people actually into sailing than have to go through the Cr*p from ebay enquiries.


poor relative
poor relative
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6 Nov 2012 10:18am
fingerbone said...
In my original question I said this site meaning the majority of people on this site not Admin



Maybe the majority of people on this site are the "loyal customers"
sausage
sausage
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6 Nov 2012 12:37pm
I didn't know there was anywhere else but SB to buy 2nd hand goods and I'll probably keep it that way. As Mark said you actually know who you're buying from. Have never had any issues buying and selling gear on SB.

That said the only real beef I have with the buy and sell (and this is completely outside Laurie's control) is the propensity of some (experienced) sellers to list gear younger than what it is i.e. there's numerous boards and sails listed as the later model. To an unexperienced buyer who thinks that they're getting a bargain on say a 2011 model when in fact it's either a 2010 or even earlier is deliberately misleading. At the end of the day though with any 2nd hand gear my advice is "caveat emptor"
pweedas
pweedas
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6 Nov 2012 12:07pm
sausage said...
........my advice is "caveat emptor"


"The cave is empty" ??
Why would anyone want to know that?
CMC
CMC
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6 Nov 2012 3:53pm
Like most people that sell on here I can't recommend it more.

I have only sold surf and racing SUP nothing under $1500 and have never had a listing last for any longer than 3 days....
Scotty88
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6 Nov 2012 2:36pm
sausage said...
I didn't know there was anywhere else but SB to buy 2nd hand goods and I'll probably keep it that way. As Mark said you actually know who you're buying from. Have never had any issues buying and selling gear on SB.

That said the only real beef I have with the buy and sell (and this is completely outside Laurie's control) is the propensity of some (experienced) sellers to list gear younger than what it is i.e. there's numerous boards and sails listed as the later model. To an unexperienced buyer who thinks that they're getting a bargain on say a 2011 model when in fact it's either a 2010 or even earlier is deliberately misleading. At the end of the day though with any 2nd hand gear my advice is "caveat emptor"


Why don't you just say 'buyer beware'.
I hate that Latin bullsh1t.
Fate compli.
Fo par
Terra firma
Operandis morandi
Carpet diem
Farkiv off.
sausage
sausage
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6 Nov 2012 5:07pm
Scotty88 said...
sausage said...
I didn't know there was anywhere else but SB to buy 2nd hand goods and I'll probably keep it that way. As Mark said you actually know who you're buying from. Have never had any issues buying and selling gear on SB.

That said the only real beef I have with the buy and sell (and this is completely outside Laurie's control) is the propensity of some (experienced) sellers to list gear younger than what it is i.e. there's numerous boards and sails listed as the later model. To an unexperienced buyer who thinks that they're getting a bargain on say a 2011 model when in fact it's either a 2010 or even earlier is deliberately misleading. At the end of the day though with any 2nd hand gear my advice is "caveat emptor"


Why don't you just say 'buyer beware'.
I hate that Latin bullsh1t.
Fate compli.
Fo par
Terra firma
Operandis morandi
Carpet diem
Farkiv off.


Sorry for trying to intellectualise SB. I'll ensure my modus operandi from now on will be to bring it down to the lowest common denominator. I suppose you had to look up "propensity" too.

PS - Faux pas & fait accompli are of french origin
Scotty88
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6 Nov 2012 3:17pm
^^^French, Latin whatever.
English will do.
What country is Latin from anyway ?
sausage
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6 Nov 2012 5:22pm
Scotty88,
Having just referred to member conduct, specifically Part (g.) Section 3 below I may be in breach of SB conditions and I have to offer you an apology .

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Scotty88
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6 Nov 2012 6:07pm
sausage said...
Scotty88,
Having just referred to member conduct, specifically Part (g.) Section 3 below I may be in breach of SB conditions and I have to offer you an apology .

6. MEMBER CONDUCT

You understand that all information, data, text, software, music, sound, photographs, graphics, video, messages or other materials ("Content"), whether publicly posted or privately transmitted, are the sole responsibility of the person from which such Content originated. This means that you, and not us, are entirely responsible for all Content that you upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available via the Service. Seabreeze does not control the Content posted via the Service and, as such, does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity or quality of such Content. You understand that by using the Service, you may be exposed to Content that is offensive, indecent or objectionable. Under no circumstances will Seabreeze be liable in any way for any Content, including, but not limited to, for any errors or omissions in any Content, or for any loss or damage of any kind incurred as a result of the use of any Content posted, emailed, transmitted or otherwise made available via the Service.

You agree to not use the Service to:

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b. harm minors in any way;
c. impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a Seabreeze official, forum moderator, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;
d. forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of any Content transmitted through the Service;
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f. upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights ("Rights") of any party;
g. use latin phrases to confuse kiters, suppers or surfers
h. upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, "junk mail," "spam", "chain letters", "pyramid schemes," or any other form of solicitation.
i. upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any material that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment;
j. disrupt the normal flow of dialogue, cause a screen to "scroll" faster than other users of the Service are able to type, or otherwise act in a manner that negatively affects other users' ability to engage in real time exchanges;
k. interfere with or disrupt the Service or servers or networks connected to the Service, or disobey any requirements, procedures, policies or regulations of networks connected to the Service;
l. "stalk" or otherwise harass another; or
m. collect or store personal data about other users.



Apology accepted.
Now get back to your land yacht.
pweedas
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6 Nov 2012 6:38pm
Scotty88 said...
^^^French, Latin whatever.
English will do.
What country is Latin from anyway ?


That would be Latvia wouldn't it?
Everybody knows that.
doggie
doggie
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6 Nov 2012 6:39pm
pweedas said...
Scotty88 said...
^^^French, Latin whatever.
English will do.
What country is Latin from anyway ?


That would be Latvia wouldn't it?
Everybody knows that.


Hahahahahahahaha
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