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NowindSurfer
NowindSurfer
WA
163 posts
WA, 163 posts
9 Dec 2009 10:08am
Wanted to get some input and quiz people who have built houses.I am looking at building on a large block
If there is anything in your house plans you regret not changing?
What sort of features in your house made you choose it?
Is there specific builders i should keep away from?

I dont plan on selling i would like to keep it and raise a fambily in it.
Any imput would be greatly appreciated.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
9 Dec 2009 3:19pm
Talk to your local builder...and don't go for the cheapest building designer/drafty! (guess what I do for coin? haha)

Seriously...if you're looking at a custom-built home seek out a good/reputable building designer (or Architect) that is skilled in 'extracting a brief', and has an emphasis on conceptual design, as opposed to someone who 'knocks out' cut'n'paste plans for peanuts - you're better off with a project home than a house that has no thought/time spent on the design...at least the project home builders have researched what works & are generally economical (build-wise).

A good designer will ask questions in regard to how you live, move and want the home to perform. This includes, family dynamics, size, orientation, your likes/dislikes, material selection, movement within and around the home, and most importantly...BUDGET, and a good designer will work to your budget! It might cost a little more (factor their quote it into your overall budget and see what impact it has...) but you should be able to get a full concept design through to tender documentation service for <5% of your overall budget?! (the difference is like comparing a $5k kitchen to a $20k...which would you put in a new home?)

It will save the heartache & dollars down the track and you'll iron out all the bugs before you start. Good luck with it!
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
9 Dec 2009 4:31pm
^ Good advice.
The most important, and often overlooked, role of a house is to be comfortable to live in.
With well designed siting, orientation, and by using passive solar design principles, your house should be comfortable all year round with minimal need for heating or cooling.
Take a look at-
http://www.yourhome.gov.au/technical/index.html
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
9 Dec 2009 5:04pm
Yeah listen to the Hack.

You can go for a predesigned option with outfits like plantation homes and others, they are pretty good as long as you have a standard block to fit it in and you don't mind risking looking like every other house in the street.

I have a large, but funny shaped block and initially did the cheap option and employed essentially a draftie claiming to be a designer to take my floor plan sketches and make them good. Spent $6,000 before I realised I had got what I paid for - crap.

I threw out the drawings, sent my sketches to half a dozen quality architects, got a well thought out reply from 2, picked one we were comfortable with and now have a brilliant design. The Architect also thinks the plans are brilliant and wants to showcase the house when completed. He has also done a lot of additional work that he had not quoted for.

Spend the money. By all means shop around and go with someone who will fit to your budget and you feel will do a good job , but don't skimp, the money is worth it.

Our must have's were:

Decent secondary bedrooms (4x4 min plus builtins)
big garage (3 car and up to 8m deep)
Really big master bedroom (6x8 plus ensuite)
open plan living
Indoor/outdoor flow
12ft living area ceilings.
underground wine cellar (4x2.5 my indulgance)

Now I just have to pay for it

Cassa
Cassa
WA
1305 posts
WA, 1305 posts
9 Dec 2009 5:32pm
If you are prepared to do the hard yards and learn about the building industry , you can save a fortune. Just having your plans drawn by a good draftsman could amount to thousands, but they will direct your ideas to work for you. Forget architects unless you have an OPEN CHECK BOOK!!
I am lucky enough to have worked as a subcontractor in most trades(qualified in 2 , cabinetmaking and bricklaying) and have an advantage when it comes to doing it myself. I built my last house , 2 story for just under 200,00 with a concrete block pool , for those that have little or no experience there are considerate savings to be made if you are prepared to do the study and work.the savings you make doing it yourself will get a better quality of finish in certain areas such as cabinetwork , bathroom fittings, marble bench tops etc.
My advice for what its worth , do the homework save yourself a small fortune, ( this would have to be on an average house at least 50,000)
Just make sure you look and mull over your plans for at least a month ,thinking about everything from the way the sun rises and sets on your house to parking for future boats or trailors or whatever.
Furniture and kids also come into it and the list goes on and on and on.
Good luck
Ps happy to answer any questions if you want a chat
Scully
Scully
WA
412 posts
WA, 412 posts
9 Dec 2009 5:52pm
Ask Gesalt, Hes been a residentual drafter for years (i think :S)

EDIT; If your a geraldton person, i use to work for a local architectual group there, and one of the architects himself had been designing his personal home for years.
And one of the best features i noticed was he specifically designed rooms around the position of the windows, to allow the Freo Docter Seabreeze (cool southerly) run straight into his house.

His house was always at a perfect temperture (:
Revhead
Revhead
ACT
372 posts
ACT, 372 posts
9 Dec 2009 10:21pm
We built with rawsons (dont know if they're over west) and they were good (except the carpenter). We got a plan off the shelf and modified it to suit. We also got
-20 year warranty
-a huge floor to ceiling window in the ensuite double shower (tinted window, sorry)
-good appliances
-massive kitchen with drawers instead of cupboards
-rhino flooring (looks like wood, is vynal but super tough and looks really nice, used in shops)
-solar passive (aspect is important)
-double glazed windows
-big wide front door
-black tin roof, sand stone colour bricks which are large size, looks nice
-verandahs

We learnt that you need
-to nail down the price from the beginning, do all changes up front and stick to it
-go there every single day and check everything (they were about to poor the slab until we noticed the in-slab heating wasnt in first and there were broken pipes)
-shop around for good builders
-be careful with the contract
-be very careful with the contract
-get loads of cupboard space
-get loads of garage space, plus a shed
-ikea have good cheap lights
-get heaps of power points, and think about where to put light the switches
- get a time limit on the building process
thats all i can think of right now, but its a cool thing to do, enjoy it.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12884 posts
WA, 12884 posts
9 Dec 2009 7:39pm
Tobes is right, go passive solar!!!!!

we built this place in 96, and never regretted anything about it.

We lived in the old beach shack for a year and sussed out the micro climate.
We then built this with passive solar principles.
It works fantastic, doesn't need airconditioning in summer or heating in winter, there's a few days in summer when it gets to 31 inside, (when it's been 40 outside for a few days) but your so acclimatised to heat, 30 odd feels cool. Overhead fans are all we need.
In winter there's also a few days that get down to 18 degrees, but the wife just bakes a cake and it's back up to 20 deg.

Doesn't have to cost any more, most of it's sensible orientation of glass work, to let in Winter sun but not summer sun, and cross ventilation to cool the place down at night. Plenty of insulation and thermal mass also helps. In Perth the ground temp 1m down is 21deg, so a concrete slab and tiles also helps stabilize temperature, use as little carpet as possible. (Although tiles may feel cold to your bare feet, they're actually warming the place up in winter, wear slippers.)

Not only do you pay less power bills, your responsible for pumping out less carbon
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2574 posts
NSW, 2574 posts
10 Dec 2009 10:47am
ill back decrep on his place. functional and practical, and green. nice too.
pharro
pharro
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
10 Dec 2009 10:27am
As far as electrical stuff goes....
If you are going for the standard number of sockets/switches in each room then (where practicle) have them installed on your interior walls.
And ensure they chase conduits into the wall, not just the cable. (Unsure of regs in other parts of Aus.)
You can always easily add socket/switches to exterior walls (they have a cavity) but its a pain in the ass to do it later for interior walls.
Also consider where in the future you might want TV points, speakers, control wiring etc (on interior walls) and have a conduit and blank plate installed.
Will save a lot of hassle down the track.

This goes for any outside electrical work you might want in the future too.
Anywhere you might want garden lights, power for a pool, lights for a gazebo/pergola etc put all the conduits in trenches now and blank off before you
put down paving/gardens etc.
Its worth the extra few bucks (just in case you want something later.)
Pete (the ex sparky)
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14965 posts
QLD, 14965 posts
10 Dec 2009 9:39pm
hey scully

pretty close mate, 19 years and still loving the job.
currently doing an off grid house out in the bush. pretty much drawn every type of building over the years.

p.s. your cheques in the post.


Nowindsurfer,

you would be amazed at how many architects/designers etc windsurf. i bump into guys in the industry all of the time that windsurf.

how about a kit home? happy haus style. happyhaus.com.au/index.html

Scully said...

Ask Gesalt, Hes been a residentual drafter for years (i think :S)

EDIT; If your a geraldton person, i use to work for a local architectual group there, and one of the architects himself had been designing his personal home for years.
And one of the best features i noticed was he specifically designed rooms around the position of the windows, to allow the Freo Docter Seabreeze (cool southerly) run straight into his house.

His house was always at a perfect temperture (:


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