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saltiest1
saltiest1
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9 Jun 2010 9:42pm

If you have a conspiracy theory you would like to give an airing, please feel free to do so in here.

This way we know where not to look in future .

Id like to see how many genuine (?) theories there are. I can kick off with a few:

osama is protected by cia
twin tower stuff
alluminium is bad for you
the port arthur killings were government organised
usa is listening in on our conversations
maxm
maxm
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9 Jun 2010 9:47pm
saltiest1 said...

alluminium is bad for you


HEY! No way aluminium is bad for...

What was I saying?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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9 Jun 2010 7:48pm
Nup
Nup
Yes - Al is (may be?) linked to Alzheimers and more research needed
Nup
and big yes. Look at Project Echelon which is well known and admitted / proven. I doubt they monitor much of Australia's telecommunications though. Well monitor is the wrong word. Everything is run through and the keywords are picked up, but the filters are set to prioritise threats to US interests.

saltiest1
saltiest1
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9 Jun 2010 9:59pm
what id like to know is where are the communist cospirators like the ussr, korea, china, or the eastern block. werent they supposed to be the bad guys in the post war period??
Carantoc
Carantoc
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9 Jun 2010 8:33pm
OK

Most people, regimes, groups and organisations in the world are not as clever / able as you think they are.

Things that seem suspicious / nefarious are usually due to people's ineptitude / stuipidity / mistakes, not their ability to manipulate the population of the world.

It was refreshing to watch the doco 'Is Osama dead or alive' on TV last night (on some random Austar channel) and have many ex-CIA and US federal agents basically say - 'we make mistakes, big mistakes, Osama has spent 37 years in north east Afganistan / North west Pakistan evading the Russians, the Pakastaines, the Taliban, the Afgan forces, NATO, the winter weather, lack of food and now the US. He is better at hiding than we are at looking'.

We seem to believe that Americans are winners, and if they loose there must be a conspiracy behind it. I would suggest the US hasn't won any conflict off home soil since the second world war, maybe excluding the stand off over the Cuban missle crisis and Kuwait, but nothing else (including the majors of Vietnam, Korea, Balklands, Somalia, Iraq and Afganistan).

Post second world war is a very interesting period in history. It was the longest period of non-armed conflict in western Europe for 2,000 years. It also had no true world superpower, no nation had an empire. And the concept of nations based on geographical borders has never been so strong.

We look to the US to fill the void of a superpower that has always existed. The US is not a superpower. It does not export its influence over the world to any degree remotely similar to British empire, Dutch Empire, Ottoman Empire, Nation of Islam, Romans, Greeks, Gengis Khan (who was second only to Britian in terms of land area under his control), the Gauls, Charlemain, Chinese etc. etc.

People looking for conspiracies in things are searching for meaning in thier life in having somebody, somewhere in power and in control. They assume somebody or something has absolute power. Right now, that is less true than ever before.

Next time you think that hoardes of people have secretly cooperated to perform something that you can't explain, I say it is actually not the delibrate actions of co-ordinated groups of secret agents, but the inactions and mistakes of a couple of unrelated individuals.

Sorry, but there is no order in the world, no logic in the world and we make more mistakes than not.
theDoctor
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9 Jun 2010 10:40pm

thats the stupidest most miss-informed thing i think i have ever read...

sounds like you are either in total denial, completely asleep or intravenously fed siht
japie
japie
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9 Jun 2010 10:48pm
The CIA have never touched drugs.
There were no CIA personnel involved with the Nugan Hand bank.
The CIA have no mob connections.
Chemical warfare is a myth.
No US agents have ever been involved in assainations, least of all in foreign territory.
Western foreign policy has always held the populations welfare as their number one concern.
No US citizens have ever profitted from war nor had any interest in doing so.
The bill of rights and and the US constitution applies to the citizens of the world.
Where the Taliban suceeded in destroying the opium trade out of Afghanistan the US military killed it completely.

Of course these are not conspiracies, just facts of life!
saltiest1
saltiest1
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9 Jun 2010 10:56pm
japie said...

The CIA have never touched drugs.
There were no CIA personnel involved with the Nugan Hand bank.
The CIA have no mob connections.
Chemical warfare is a myth.
No US agents have ever been involved in assainations, least of all in foreign territory.
Western foreign policy has always held the populations welfare as their number one concern.
No US citizens have ever profitted from war nor had any interest in doing so.
The bill of rights and and the US constitution applies to the citizens of the world.
Where the Taliban suceeded in destroying the opium trade out of Afghanistan the US military killed it completely.





Of course these are not conspiracies, just facts of life!





sorry, noone told me it was opposites day.
japie
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9 Jun 2010 10:57pm
F**k me Carantoc, do you keep a remote control in your pocket so you can locate your blind stick? If so it must operate on a buzzer because you must be deaf to be so sincerely misinformed!

If you seriously think that there is no clandestine cohesive policy amongst the mega wealthy of his world that surpasses blatant historic imperialism in all forms then you must be living under a very large rock in a very secluded forest!
ginger pom
ginger pom
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9 Jun 2010 10:58pm

The CIA have never touched drugs.
There were no CIA personnel involved with the Nugan Hand bank.
The CIA have no mob connections.
Chemical warfare is a myth.
No US agents have ever been involved in assainations, least of all in foreign territory.
Western foreign policy has always held the populations welfare as their number one concern.
No US citizens have ever profitted from war nor had any interest in doing so.
The bill of rights and and the US constitution applies to the citizens of the world.
Where the Taliban suceeded in destroying the opium trade out of Afghanistan the US military killed it completely.

Not True - Afghanistan
Not True
Not True - but obviously part of their role
Not True - it's well documented
Not True - they tried to poison Osama. Hence him having reduced kidney function( The new jackals, Simon reeve)
Obviously not true - American policy in south america is heavily influenced by farm lobby. Hence high fructose corn syrup being used instead of sugar
Not true - it's why it's called the arms INDUSTRY
Not true because it's the US constitution
Not true - opium production has increased (I think)

But those are all small things to co-ordinate in comparison to some of the other things. In fact most of them aren't conspiracies, they're just obvious commercial pressures.
japie
japie
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9 Jun 2010 11:05pm
We are getting somewhere here GP! Obvious commercial pressure eh!

Of course that precludes doing anything proactive because that would be blatantly unethical!

With the biggest and most effective propagand machine ever assembled they do not need to coordinate, they only need to co-operate.

If Rupert Murdoch had a brain snap and turned buddhist how long do you think he would last?
Glitch
Glitch
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9 Jun 2010 11:06pm
Carantoc is a CIA opperative
theDoctor
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9 Jun 2010 11:08pm
ginger pom said...


The CIA have never touched drugs.
There were no CIA personnel involved with the Nugan Hand bank.
The CIA have no mob connections.
Chemical warfare is a myth.
No US agents have ever been involved in assainations, least of all in foreign territory.
Western foreign policy has always held the populations welfare as their number one concern.
No US citizens have ever profitted from war nor had any interest in doing so.
The bill of rights and and the US constitution applies to the citizens of the world.
Where the Taliban suceeded in destroying the opium trade out of Afghanistan the US military killed it completely.

Not True - Afghanistan
Not True
Not True - but obviously part of their role
Not True - it's well documented
Not True - they tried to poison Osama. Hence him having reduced kidney function( The new jackals, Simon reeve)
Obviously not true - American policy in south america is heavily influenced by farm lobby. Hence high fructose corn syrup being used instead of sugar
Not true - it's why it's called the arms INDUSTRY
Not true because it's the US constitution
Not true - opium production has increased (I think)

But those are all small things to co-ordinate in comparison to some of the other things. In fact most of them aren't conspiracies, they're just obvious commercial pressures.



pretty sure the original post was meant to be read with a sarcastic tone
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
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9 Jun 2010 9:09pm
theDoctor said...


thats the stupidest most miss-informed thing i think i have ever read...



Thus it qualifies the Doctor's tests for validity, in line with any conspiracy. It sounds stupid and miss-informed, therefore it must have merit. Congratulations!

Wow, you have found a way for conspiracy theorists to believe what you want them to.


japie
japie
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9 Jun 2010 11:21pm
See Formulanova, that is were you trip up. The doctor did not say that it sounded stupid, he said it was stupid and it is. He was not claiming Carantocs stupidity as validation.

Details are not critical for the logic. If a man is found to be a kleptomaniac it is not difficult to believe that he will steal on a large scale.

The men with the clout have already been proved to be capable of unethical behaviour on a level that is incomprhensible.

The rest is simply a matter of scale.
Carantoc
Carantoc
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9 Jun 2010 10:49pm
japie said...


If you seriously think that there is no clandestine cohesive policy amongst the mega wealthy of his world that surpasses blatant historic imperialism in all forms then you must be living under a very large rock in a very secluded forest!


So how many people are in this single clandestine group that control the world ?

Lets add 'em up in the most minimal form :
1 per media publisher
1 per political party
1 per religous sect
1 per intenet browser
1 per government agency
1 per air traffic control tower
1 per scientic research laboratory
1 per university department
everybody in the CIA, FBI and every other secret service
Everybody who is super rich
...........

Seems a lot of people to be in a clandestine group and remain clandestine, unless they are the majority, in which case why remain clandestine ?.

And their motivation ? they are not all super rich surely ?

I am not saying CIA haven't sold drugs, but they do it for a specifc purpose at a specific point in time. I am saying there is no global method statement that maps out what a single cohesive clandestine world controlling group will do for the next period of time.

I am saying there was no decision made to first have the CIA deal in drugs, then when that was going along well to engage in Chemical warfare, then when that did its job to set 'mini' nuke bombs in some big buildings.

Every person and group in power has their own agenda. They are splintered groups that evolve, change and mould. Not even saying that each agenda isn't simialr, but it is similar by default, to be rich and in power there are only so many ways of doing it. I am saying I can't believe all the rich powerful people sit down around a big table and agree on what each will do and when.

The British never actually set out to build an empire. In 1650 a british pirate was raiding spanish ships in the carribean plundering the gold the spanish had plundered from the Incas. The english needed gold to fund an immenant war with the Dutch, a war over trading routes to the west indies and control of the building slave trade. Supporting english pirates for a cut of the plunder was a good way to fund the war. The english state then sponsered this 'terrorism' and the British Empire took off from there.

In 1650 the British never had a single grand conspiracy to control 25% of the worlds land mass. Within 200 years they had acheived it. Not by single cohesive design but by a bit of good luck, a bit of state sponsered piracy, a bit of undercover poking of pre-exisiting angst between various other peoples to stir up trouble to asssit their own agenda, a bit of local warlords seeing alliegence with the British gave them more power of their own.

We talked about Twiggy earlier.

6 years ago he was a broke and destitue man. Now he is reportly Australia richest man. I am saying they was no plot developed 8 years ago for Twiggy to become Australia's richest man. It occured because he had the balls to do what nobody else had the balls to do, some good and clever mates who believed his vision and a bit of luck he got producing ore before the GFC hit. If it hit 12 months earlier, he would probably be a broke and destitute man again. I have no doubt he said things that weren't quite right, to enable his share price to rise and his borrowing power to increase. In fact he went to court for it.


Looking at the first theory suggested here I happen to believe Osma only exists because of the CIA. They funded him, trained him, armed him because it suited them for him to be fighting the Russians during the cold war. They didn't do it so 25 years later they would have a figure they could hold up as the devil incarnate to justify something they might want to do.

Why does Osma have to be protected by the CIA just because they can't find him ?

If you spent 30 years in one place fighting and hiding every single day might you not be better at it than somebody who hasn't ? particularly when the person who hasn't taught you every trick they know.

Why has US failure got to be some conspiracy hidden from the masses and not just a mistake they made in training the Mujahaddeen in the the 1980s and a current failure to now find him because he is better at hidding than they are at looking. US failure certainly isn't unique.

I do struggle to see why my argument against organised global conspiracies is poposterous but 'mini' nukes aren't.

Mine is an argument based on facts that have occured before, 'mini' nuke theory is based on science fiction of a 14 year old.
Carantoc
Carantoc
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9 Jun 2010 11:00pm
theDoctor said...


thats the stupidest most miss-informed thing i think i have ever read...

sounds like you are either in total denial, completely asleep or intravenously fed siht


Exactly which bit is mis-informed ?

I would offer the follwoing points as my statements of fact:

the US hasn't won any conflict off home soil since the second world war, maybe excluding the stand off over the Cuban missle crisis and Kuwait

Post second world war is was the longest period of non-armed conflict in western Europe for 2,000 years.

The US does not export its influence over the world to any degree remotely similar to British empire, Dutch Empire, Ottoman Empire, Nation of Islam, Romans, Greeks, Gengis Khan (who was second only to Britian in terms of land area under his control), the Gauls, Charlemain, Chinese etc. etc.

Gengis Khan (who was second only to Britian in terms of land area under his control),

we make more mistakes than not.

and the remainder as my opinion as to the conclusion I draw from those facts.

Do you believe my facts are wrong, or my opinon is wrong ?
doggie
doggie
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9 Jun 2010 11:09pm
9/10 for the blue team against, red are failing @ 7/10 red are in a combo situation. Sorry red for team 10 days on the clock
Carantoc
Carantoc
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9 Jun 2010 11:09pm
saltiest1 said...


If you have a conspiracy theory you would like to give an airing, please feel free to do so in here.

This way we know where not to look in future .

Id like to see how many genuine (?) theories there are. I can kick off with a few:

osama is protected by cia
twin tower stuff
alluminium is bad for you
the port arthur killings were government organised
usa is listening in on our conversations


Marojawarner-weed-ganga (or whatever it is called) is worse for your health than tabacco
Marojawarner is more of a danger to society than alcohol
Socalism works
Religion is the root of all evil

all theories put out that hold no truth for me. Unfortunate really because it would be nice if at least one of them were true.


doggie
doggie
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9 Jun 2010 11:35pm
@ Carantoc 1 & 2 are crap...........
Richiefish
Richiefish
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10 Jun 2010 8:31am
the "Great wind and surf and euro chicks in W.A. CONSPIRACY!!"

It's an evil plot to lure unsuspecting windsurfers to W.A. where they are then forced to work in the mines as slaves ..
Evidence : Everyone who goes to W.A. to windsurf. NEVER RETURNS !!!!
Gestalt
Gestalt
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10 Jun 2010 9:21am
there is a face on my fence formed from resin bleaching and knot swelling.

my 4 & 6 year old kids say it's a a conspiracy from the pirates.
sausage
sausage
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10 Jun 2010 9:54am
Richiefish said...

the "Great wind and surf and euro chicks in W.A. CONSPIRACY!!"

It's an evil plot to lure unsuspecting windsurfers to W.A. where they are then forced to work in the mines as slaves ..
Evidence : Everyone who goes to W.A. to windsurf. NEVER RETURNS !!!!


Where do I sign up.
doggie
doggie
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10 Jun 2010 8:39am
sausage said...

Richiefish said...

the "Great wind and surf and euro chicks in W.A. CONSPIRACY!!"

It's an evil plot to lure unsuspecting windsurfers to W.A. where they are then forced to work in the mines as slaves ..
Evidence : Everyone who goes to W.A. to windsurf. NEVER RETURNS !!!!


Where do I sign up.


F##k off we are full
K Dog
K Dog
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10 Jun 2010 1:49pm
doggie said...

sausage said...

Richiefish said...

the "Great wind and surf and euro chicks in W.A. CONSPIRACY!!"

It's an evil plot to lure unsuspecting windsurfers to W.A. where they are then forced to work in the mines as slaves ..
Evidence : Everyone who goes to W.A. to windsurf. NEVER RETURNS !!!!


Where do I sign up.


F##k off we are full



Raises another interesting point. Where the hell are all the windsurfing chicks????

How can we lift the profile of the sport to attract more "talent" on the water?

There are heaps who surf on the GC and SC in QLD - but none on the water on windsurfing boards.......
poor relative
poor relative
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10 Jun 2010 2:04pm
I keep burning my toast its been like that for the past week
This morning the burn looked distinctly like Jesus's face
I think god is conspiring with the electricity company to bring me burnt toast.


evlPanda
evlPanda
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10 Jun 2010 7:58pm
For figments of my imagination you're all pretty damn noisy.
saltiest1
saltiest1
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10 Jun 2010 9:22pm
Richiefish said...

the "Great wind and surf and euro chicks in W.A. CONSPIRACY!!"

It's an evil plot to lure unsuspecting windsurfers to W.A. where they are then forced to work in the mines as slaves ..
Evidence : Everyone who goes to W.A. to windsurf. NEVER RETURNS !!!!





Mark, were you in charge of this one?

Get more women!!
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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10 Jun 2010 7:39pm
If I was, the euro chicks would also never leave.

I've been a bit tied up with tainting the water supply this week...missed out on alien day at Pine Gap
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
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10 Jun 2010 8:18pm
doggie said...

sausage said...

Richiefish said...

the "Great wind and surf and euro chicks in W.A. CONSPIRACY!!"

It's an evil plot to lure unsuspecting windsurfers to W.A. where they are then forced to work in the mines as slaves ..
Evidence : Everyone who goes to W.A. to windsurf. NEVER RETURNS !!!!


Where do I sign up.


F##k off we are full


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japie
japie
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10 Jun 2010 11:33pm
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