have you guys ever try stonefishing i.e. it's getting a flat pebble about 5cm in diameter..all you do is with hook and bait stick it to the stone or pebble and wrap around with it's own line and as you do this put fresh shrimp fry and continue on wrapping...what happens is as you throw the stone with your hook and bait it unfurls more shrimp bait as it untangles to the bottom..it's always a hit most of the time the locals do that here