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Pauline
Pauline
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4 Apr 2009 7:29pm
I was just reading some guys tips about give way rules.He says that the universal rule is to pass on the right (starboard)
That is NOT correct, all vessels should pass "port to port" which means the oncoming vessel will be on your left hand side.
There is a rule which says if you have a vessel on your starboard/right side and you think you might collide, the vessel which has the other one on its right side should turn to sterboard/right. This will ensure they pass behind the other vessel.
cheers and keep surfing.....oops kiteing.......nah sailing on real boats
StormySeas
StormySeas
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9 posts
5 Apr 2009 6:27am
Pauline said...

I was just reading some guys tips about give way rules.He says that the universal rule is to pass on the right (starboard)
That is NOT correct, all vessels should pass "port to port" which means the oncoming vessel will be on your left hand side.
There is a rule which says if you have a vessel on your starboard/right side and you think you might collide, the vessel which has the other one on its right side should turn to starboard/right. This will ensure they pass behind the other vessel.
cheers and keep surfing.....oops kiteing.......nah sailing on real boats


Holy **** dude, starboard to starboard means you turn to the starboard/right hand side, not leaving the other boat/thingy on the starboard side. maybe its time to start thinking before posting
NotWal
NotWal
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5 Apr 2009 10:18pm
That's what passing by the right is isn't it? You go to the right of the oncoming craft. In other words you pass port to port. Whatever.... That is the proper thing to do. However you can't count on the skipper of the other craft knowing that so its best to avoid situations where it comes down to turn the proper way or crash.
busterwa
busterwa
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5 Apr 2009 9:13pm
The person who can get injured the most usually gives way.
If not the person who slows down first usually gives way.
Whos arguing with logic like that.
busterwa
busterwa
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3782 posts
5 Apr 2009 10:08pm
Giving Way
The master must continuously assess the risk of collision with other vessels and power vessels must give way to:

sailing vessels
vessels approaching head on (by altering course to starboard)
vessels approaching from the right (starboard) hand side (ie, crossing)

vessels displaying the special lights and signals shown in this chapter
large vessels restricted in their manoeuvrability
any vessel being overtaken and
vessels engaged in fishing activities and showing appropriate signals.
A vessel drifting is deemed to be underway and has no special right of way. It is required to comply with the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea.

Note: In a collision, all masters involved can be held responsible even if the give-way vessel does not give way, because all masters are required to exercise caution and take avoiding action if the other vessel does not.

Always keep a safe distance off other vessels so the vessel can be stopped or manoeuvred to avoid any sudden danger. The faster the speed, the greater the safe distance must be. When altering course make your intentions clear to others as early as possible.

Sound Signals
Special sound signals exist for vessels to indicate their manoeuvring intentions when they are in sight of one another.


1 short blast ... I am altering course to starboard (the right).
2 short blasts ... I am altering course to port (the left).
3 short blasts ... I am operating engines astern (stopping/slowing).
5 short blasts ... I am unsure of your intentions and I doubt whether you are taking sufficient action to avoid collision.

Power Gives Way to Sail
A power driven vessel must give way to a sailing vessel unless the sailing vessel is in the process of overtaking
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Power Driven Vessels Meeting Head on
When two power driven vessels meet head on, each must alter course to starboard (to the right) and pass at a safe distance.

Power Driven Vessels Crossing

In crossing situations, give way to the right.

Action to Avoid Collision

The give-way vessel must avoid a collision by changing course substantially, by slowing down, or stopping and allowing the vessel which has right of way to pass clear ahead. This must be done as early as possible.

reference
http://www.waterways.nsw.gov.au/sbh/onwater.html





busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
5 Apr 2009 10:10pm
Sailing Vessels and Sailboards
When two sailing vessels have wind on different sides, the vessel with wind on the port side gives way.





When both craft have wind on the same side, the vessel which is to windward shall keep out of the way of the vessel which is to leeward.





Note: If a collision appears inevitable, the skipper of each vessel must take proper action to avert the collision.

The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
733 posts
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5 Apr 2009 10:50pm

You should give way to people on Starboards.

If there are two starboards approaching each other, the least expensive one should get out of the way of the most expensive one.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
6 Apr 2009 1:23am
The Grinch said...


If there are two starboards approaching each other, the least expensive one should get out of the way of the most expensive one.


That's a bit counter intuitive isn't it?
Pauline
Pauline
2 posts
2 posts
6 Apr 2009 7:10am
yes, well if both vessels make a turn to the right so they pass wiith port sides "touching" that's all good. BUT the way the guy worded his help story makes it sound like you should pass with your right sides "touching" which in maritime terms is written 'starboard to starboard'

evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
6 Apr 2009 10:51am
To the next kiter that out points me when I'm on starboard, forces me to ditch to avoid a collision with lines or fall off plane/in water, then sprays me while boosting...

... let's play Chicken.

Seriously. If you see me on starboard, unhooked and grinning you know what game we're playing. You can't win, and you can't quit.

Any legal advice appreciated. Does this count as premeditated?

Buell
Buell
SA
89 posts
SA, 89 posts
6 Apr 2009 1:33pm
evlPanda said...

To the next kiter that out points me when I'm on starboard, forces me to ditch to avoid a collision with lines or fall off plane/in water, then sprays me while boosting...

... let's play Chicken.

Seriously. If you see me on starboard, unhooked and grinning you know what game we're playing. You can't win, and you can't quit.

Any legal advice appreciated. Does this count as premeditated?




Sounds like you need to sort out your upwind technique if kiters are out pointing you
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
6 Apr 2009 3:01pm
^ May I point out any more upwind and I'd be on dry sand at particular spot.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
7 Apr 2009 12:23am
Pauline said...

yes, well if both vessels make a turn to the right so they pass wiith port sides "touching" that's all good. BUT the way the guy worded his help story makes it sound like you should pass with your right sides "touching" which in maritime terms is written 'starboard to starboard'





If you "pass someone on the right" how can you possibly touch starboard sides?
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
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QLD, 5612 posts
7 Apr 2009 9:51am
no no , the OTHER right !!!!!
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
7 Apr 2009 10:39am
shark said...
If you "pass someone on the right" how can you possibly touch starboard sides?


When you are overtaking somebody to your right..

shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
7 Apr 2009 11:30am
pass and overtake are two different things in maritime terms. If two vessels are going in the same direction and one is "overtaking" how could it possibly pass "port to port" unless one is going very fast in reverse?
If you are overtaking another vessel you never have right of way, unless "restricted by draught" and showing the apprpriate day shape/lights. Even then Im not 100%.
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
7 Apr 2009 1:42pm
what if I'm riding a starboard,whilst drinking port,I'm overtakin' with emotion,resticted by fin enormity, but I'm displaying "not in control " day shapes ??
(this is of course hypothetical. I ride a naish or f2 and prefer beer)
colinwill78
colinwill78
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15 Apr 2009 10:26pm
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