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Mr float
Mr float
NSW
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NSW, 3452 posts
6 Jun 2012 9:01pm
and a good idea for Australia .?So here's the idea .Government implements peoples bank (or opposition proposes it ) Kind of like the original idea of the commbank and medibank when it was introduced .The current government inadvertadly delivered the big 4 a virtual monopoly when they guaranteed them in 2008/9 and the big 4 bought up their non guaranteed competiors ,
So there are a number of ways of doing this .Give remaining building societies and mutuals gov guarantee, or set up ne peoples bank via Aust post (like the NZ post idea) .The idea is that depositors get a higher rate and borrowers get a lower rate as their is easier access to guaranteed funds and also there is less pressure to give mega returns to execs and institutional investors .
Something must be done about the current situation,the big 4 profits are obscene ,their excuses for their mega margins and fees are limp and they don't have competition and the economy stooges along,perhaps this is a way out .perhaps there are other seabreezers with other better ideas
lightwood
lightwood
VIC
392 posts
VIC, 392 posts
6 Jun 2012 9:08pm
How about rather than let banks dictate things, link inflation/deflation to income tax. If things are slow drop the rate by 1%, if hot raise it. That way it dosent just benifit home loan owners and screw retirees or vise versa. Still controlled by the reserve to stop a govt money grab.

****, how hard is it.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
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6 Jun 2012 9:13pm
lightwood said...

How about rather than let banks dictate things, link inflation/deflation to income tax. If things are slow drop the rate by 1%, if hot raise it. That way it dosent just benifit home loan owners and screw retirees or vise versa. Still controlled by the reserve to stop a govt money grab.

****, how hard is it.


Yes one potential prob i see with my idea is a gov money grab which destroys the whole idea which is why the gov guarantee for surviving independent building societies and mutuals might have more merit and why I have seen this idea is getting put up by others

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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6 Jun 2012 9:13pm
I'd prefer it if the banks were treated like any other business. IE they can prosper or fail based on their decisions. It is unbelievable that such profitable businesses are so protected as they are.

Banks should be given a choice. Either accept their market will be deregulated and in return they lose their protection and are free to do what they like or they keep their protected status and in return they are heavily regulated, including limiting the renumeration of their executives to something like five times the amount a teller earns in their bank.

Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
6 Jun 2012 9:20pm
Mobydisc said...

I'd prefer it if the banks were treated like any other business. IE they can prosper or fail based on their decisions. It is unbelievable that such profitable businesses are so protected as they are.

Banks should be given a choice. Either accept their market will be deregulated and in return they lose their protection and are free to do what they like or they keep their protected status and in return they are heavily regulated, including limiting the renumeration of their executives to something like five times the amount a teller earns in their bank.




Yes I agree with your first paragraph .I'm not sure that you will get people to run the show for 5 times a tellers fee,but the current renumerations for protected businesses (too big to fail ) are insane
tmurray
tmurray
WA
485 posts
WA, 485 posts
6 Jun 2012 7:23pm
And nationalise the mines whilst they're at it.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
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6 Jun 2012 9:30pm
tmurray said...

And nationalise the mines whilst they're at it.


Comments like this are inevitable but this is not my idea
pweedas
pweedas
WA
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WA, 4642 posts
6 Jun 2012 8:26pm
Back in the middle of last century,..I seem to recall Whichbank used to be owned by the guvmint. It was full of guvmint employees all doing f. all because it was a govmint bank so they were free to do f..all for better pay and conditions than all the other banks.
Same as PMG back then which later became Telecom which later became Telstra. And numerous other govmint owned businesses which were eventually floated off as private companies because the country was becoming bloated with public servants who didn't really give good service.
To pay them all, it offerered the lowest interest on deposits and charged higher interest on loans. I think the interest on savings was a whole 2.5 percent per annum.

On the face of it, it would seem like a stupid move to get back into bankng after spending many years trying to get out of it.
But then, after spending many years getting out of the telecommunications business by selling Telstra back to the public, (who owned it in the first place), and then getting back into it by starting up the NBN, I suppose it would be entirely consistent for the present government to get back into the banking business.
After all their other successes at handling things, like pink bats, live cattle exports, immigration and border protection, why not give banking another try.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
6 Jun 2012 11:01pm
Mr float said...
is this idea a potential election winner?


No, no it's not.
There are already many choices out there.

What makes you say that there's a virtual monopoly? There's nothing to stop any of the smaller competitors growing to join the big 4. There is no bar to competition.

For example telstra owns all the copper lines, so it has a competitive advantage (Pre NBN) that can never be matched.

With the banks the only thing the smaller ones can't match is a/ advertising budget and b/ security. Security is only an issue if the sky falls in and ignorant chicken littles all rush the bank trying to withdraw their money at once.

The credit union that is my main bank, and has been for 15 years, exists only to provide a service. Not to make a profit. It charges and pays interest at whatever rate allows it to remain operating and marginally in the profit. I can't see how this could possibly be different to your idea unless the government was actively injecting money, which would defeat the purpose.

If you want to do something, go to a non big 4 bank and join there. It's simple. If every customer did that, they wouldn't be the 'big' 4 any more, would they? They'd be the 'we're going broke because we have no customers' 4.
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
NSW, 4460 posts
6 Jun 2012 11:55pm
Aust Post ran me over on the foot path... damn them to HELL!
Gunna1
Gunna1
154 posts
154 posts
7 Jun 2012 9:50am
kiteboy dave said...

Mr float said...
is this idea a potential election winner?


No, no it's not.
There are already many choices out there.

What makes you say that there's a virtual monopoly? There's nothing to stop any of the smaller competitors growing to join the big 4. There is no bar to competition.

For example telstra owns all the copper lines, so it has a competitive advantage (Pre NBN) that can never be matched.

With the banks the only thing the smaller ones can't match is a/ advertising budget and b/ security. Security is only an issue if the sky falls in and ignorant chicken littles all rush the bank trying to withdraw their money at once.

The credit union that is my main bank, and has been for 15 years, exists only to provide a service. Not to make a profit. It charges and pays interest at whatever rate allows it to remain operating and marginally in the profit. I can't see how this could possibly be different to your idea unless the government was actively injecting money, which would defeat the purpose.

If you want to do something, go to a non big 4 bank and join there. It's simple. If every customer did that, they wouldn't be the 'big' 4 any more, would they? They'd be the 'we're going broke because we have no customers' 4.



Totally agree, I jumped out of one of the big 4 12 years ago to a small credit union where you talk to a person face to face,use first names, pay at least .5% less than the big 4 leeches, get free advice and am miles better off. Until a lot of people start to jump out as well, the big 4 will remain a blood sucking, arrogant bunch of jerks because the weak govt's are to scared to take them on.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
7 Jun 2012 11:58am
The issue with credit unions is their staff have strict rules to follow and cannot bend them to make a deal. Banks staff on the other hand can bend the rules a bit to do the deal. They are rewarded to do this. However sometimes the proverbial hits the fan and the bank is in trouble with too many workers bending the rules.
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
7 Jun 2012 10:04am
Easy fix! bring competition in the industry............ Japs banks???? That would send the bastards in a interrest drop frenzy![}:)]
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
7 Jun 2012 12:14pm
felixdcat said...

Easy fix! bring competition in the industry............ Japs banks???? That would send the bastards in a interrest drop frenzy![}:)]


I agree, open the industry up. Allow foreign banks to operate without restriction in Australia. Just like QANTAS. Why is their domestic business protected? Why can't foreign airlines transport passengers in Australia?

More competition is the answer, not a state owned and state subsidised industry competitor. The state owned company may offer better rates or whatever but the cost will be born by all the taxpayers whether they like it or not. So in effect a few benefit with lower mortgage rates at the expense of the many.



hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
2174 posts
ACT, 2174 posts
7 Jun 2012 2:42pm
FlySurfer said...

Aust Post ran me over on the foot path... damn them to HELL!

was it Aust post worker or a contractor????

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