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Cassa
Cassa
WA
1305 posts
WA, 1305 posts
20 May 2009 9:23pm
Just wondering ? if we were to have a round of football called the white men with tight pants on round would we be called racist ? would this be ok?
I thought that we lived in a world where we are trying to make everyone equal
regardless of race , religius belief , or colour, why then in the good old USA do they have blacks only beauty pagents and alot of other race segregated organizations, seems to me there is a similarity to this weeks round of footy to what is happening in USA.
Having grown up in many different parts of WA (northern) many good friends are true aboriginal , great people, .... just dont understand that those who make it (The mouth mundine for one, and other AFL players who point to their skin) would try to point out the difference??????? I dont get it , we are all JUST PEOPLE good some bad .
If a runner was to win an olimpic medal and run around with a flag that said im proud to be a white ausie and I won would this be cool? ,....... I dont think so
Marvin
Marvin
WA
725 posts
WA, 725 posts
20 May 2009 9:49pm
Hey Cassa - aren't we just trying to celebrate the contribution of Indigenous people to our society?

I for one think that any way we can affirm the positive contribution that Indigenous people make to our society is going to promote healing.

I do think that the time for showing that we really care is now. Every little thing helps.
Cassa
Cassa
WA
1305 posts
WA, 1305 posts
20 May 2009 10:03pm
Downwind , could you please enlighten me as to what contributions to society we should be celebrating ?? twenty charges laid last week do not need to be celebrated thats the ones the know!!
Marvin
Marvin
WA
725 posts
WA, 725 posts
20 May 2009 10:24pm
Well, there's some great footy players...

Some of the guys I worked with when we built the new Port Augusta to Alice Springs railway line were just top blokes... gentle, thoughtful, sweet as anyone you'd ever meet.

These days I am helping Indigenous people start up their own businesses (with Commonwealth funding through DEEWR)... they don't all have chronic alcohol and substance abuse problems...

However, my worry is that it is almost intractable for many families in many areas now... I fear we may be too late to stop the desperate cycle of neglect, violence and abuse.

But you have to start somewhere.

I am doing my bit to accentuate the positive wherever I can. I am sure its the same for the AFL.

What else can you do?
Cassa
Cassa
WA
1305 posts
WA, 1305 posts
20 May 2009 10:39pm
Your right you can only try, I just dont get why we need to be reminded that there is a colour difference,,,,, thats what we need to get past ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, isnt it?
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
21 May 2009 4:12am
Cassa said...

Your right you can only try, I just dont get why we need to be reminded that there is a colour difference,,,,, thats what we need to get past ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, isnt it?


Yes.

Hausey
Hausey
NSW
325 posts
NSW, 325 posts
21 May 2009 11:09am
Cassa said...
just dont understand that those who make it .... would try to point out the difference??????? I dont get it


Maybe Cassa you cant see it from their perspective?

If you look at what happened in Australia - invading white people taking the lives and land away from black people.... and a whole lot more....striped of dignity and pride.... and you grow up with racism targeted toward you....

You grow up black with that kind of recent history... and you want to break the cycle... there aren't many options ....but you focus at something...

if it's sport....you'd be proud to excel at something, and say to the world "look at me - I'm Aboriginal Australian and i've won something"

Good on them - don't try and diminish that!

Come over for the

http://www.woodfordfolkfestival.com/main/index.php?apply=&webpage=the_dreaming&cID=1950&menuID=202

for a positive perspective

poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
21 May 2009 11:23am
Its a pity the good things aren't covered as quickly or thoroughly as the crap.
Wonder how that would change things?
tatkins
tatkins
QLD
344 posts
QLD, 344 posts
21 May 2009 5:28pm


What wrong with flying your own flag? Roony pictured here obvoiusly doens't want to be called Welsh. How bad would that be? What do you reckon Poor Relative?
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4105 posts
QLD, 4105 posts
21 May 2009 7:45pm
South Africa is just one interesting case study out of a lot of countries that have laws giving benefit to one race over another. Not just because of Apartheid, which was so internationally publicised, but also because of the Black Economic Empowerment laws that are in place now. On the broad scale these laws seem to be very politically correct and even have merit, but in application are actually quite discriminatory against white people.

Without going into the finer details of the situation, one of the terms used frequently throughout South African legislation is 'previously disadvantaged'. I think it may also be relevant to this discussion. I'm about as far from any sort of social scientist you could get, but in my ignorant opinion the fact that a certain minority group has been previously disadvantaged may actually be a decent reason for them to get a bit of extra support now and again.

Until we're all the same colour of milky coffee brown, I think the socio-economic situations of a couple of generations of ancestors will have a significant impact on our own.

Just my 0.02c
tatkins
tatkins
QLD
344 posts
QLD, 344 posts
22 May 2009 3:50pm
Cassa said ...
Having grown up in many different parts of WA (northern) many good friends are true aboriginal , great people, .... just dont understand that those who make it (The mouth mundine for one, and other AFL players who point to their skin) would try to point out the difference??????? I dont get it , we are all JUST PEOPLE good some bad .
If a runner was to win an olimpic medal and run around with a flag that said im proud to be a white ausie and I won would this be cool? ,....... I dont think so


Its the differences that make life interesting........
I assume your Olympic reference is regarding Cathy Freeman. If you ever saw a Scotsman win anything at the Olympics or even more unlikely a Welshman they would be doing just the same thing, waving their own flag and you wouldn't find the Poms complaining!
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
22 May 2009 4:17pm
I work with a funny chick who is Sri Lankan in heritage. She calls herself 'mocha' and has a foot in both camps. Got it made I reckon.

BTW it is far too easy to peddle the stereotypes of indigenous folks being alchos or criminals. Far too easy indeed. If only the white crims/druggies/alchos stuck in your mind as easily you would end up with the view that the majority of honkies were suspect too.

Neither the majority of indigenous nor white folks are crooks or shonky but we see/hear a lot more images of indigenous folks as crooks on teev and radio. We are also ingrained with a xenophobic voice in the back of our head (yes, me too - I admit it).

Yes political correctness at times leads to imbalances that indirectly exclude or result in what seems to be racist situations (same in the gender war imbalance) but it's tricky to try and correct many decades of ill-treatment and racist behaviour without leaning too far in the other direction.

We are not in any danger of becoming Sth Africa or worse Zimbabwe so I wouldn't be getting my knickers in a twist over the occassional indigenous oriented occassion. Not quite up there with a dark skinned bloke getting the 3rd degree EVERY time he walks into a pub/restaurant/servo/cafe etc etc etc.


For my final opinionated opinion I thought the 'Nicky Winmar' moment was Gold and (in the face of overt racism from oposition players and fans that is rightly not tolerated at all anymore) his proud display and declaration of his skin lead to long overdue changes to what was acceptable on and off the playing field. Classic moment. Great outcome.
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