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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
NSW, 8349 posts
8 Jan 2013 10:03am
42 degrees tinder dry and a decent NW..hope we get through in one piece.This dry weather is good for NE for sailboarding but scary from a bush fire survival perspective. Hope everyone stays safe today/ this season.
deXtrous
deXtrous
NSW
451 posts
NSW, 451 posts
8 Jan 2013 10:34am
See YA at Kurnell
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23685 posts
WA, 23685 posts
8 Jan 2013 8:23am
Rather average for summer in 2 or 3 other states dunno what all the excitement is about?
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
8 Jan 2013 11:51am
Mark _australia said...
Rather average for summer in 2 or 3 other states dunno what all the excitement is about?


Big difference between the East & West. There is much more 'fuel' laying about hence the higher degree of concern with strong 'warm' winds (we have trees & bush here in the East, not just sparse areas of red dirt & open-cut mines ). With the amount of dry fuel that has been growing over the past couple of years thanks to the generous rainfall, combined with the very little amount of controlled burning & earthworks done by the gov't (no doubt due to budget cut-backs) this year could be the worst bushfire year Vic (and maybe NSW also?) has had for a long time.

There's a 7,000Ha bushfire out of control only 50kms from where I'm sitting and it's been going since Friday. The wind is forecast to change from a mild SE'er to a 25kt SW'er, which is about as bad as it can get - a 90deg wind change turning the fire flanks into a massive front. So far there's been only pine plantation & bush burned, but I'm guessing that there will be some towns & properties about to get put on alert.

I hope everyone at risk everywhere has done their preparation & prevention, if not - please be safe & get out early. All the best to the firies & volunteers.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
8 Jan 2013 12:22pm
PERTH IS OK EVERYBODY!

Quite a few "out of control" here:
www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me

"NSW faces 'worst ever' fire danger day"
www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-07/nsw-faces-27worst-ever27-fire-danger-day/4455368
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
8 Jan 2013 9:55am
Hope it all goes well over there over the next few days.


Property and stuff means nothing compared to life. Get out quick.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
8 Jan 2013 1:08pm
evlPanda said...
PERTH IS OK EVERYBODY!

Quite a few "out of control" here:
www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me

"NSW faces 'worst ever' fire danger day"
www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-07/nsw-faces-27worst-ever27-fire-danger-day/4455368


NSW & TAS have it worse than us! Be safe everyone.

www.cfa.vic.gov.au/warnings-restrictions/warnings-and-incidents/

www.fire.tas.gov.au/Show?pageId=colGMapBushfires
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
8 Jan 2013 1:09pm
Sailhack said...
Mark _australia said...
Rather average for summer in 2 or 3 other states dunno what all the excitement is about?


Big difference between the East & West. There is much more 'fuel' laying about


The big difference between East and the West is the reason that there is less fuel laying about on the forest floor. The main reason is that they have a more reliable prescribed burning season in the West. It's easier to get more prescribed burning done on schedule. They've taken prescribed burning very seriously since the Dwellingup fires.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Western_Australian_bushfires
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
8 Jan 2013 4:21pm
^^^ True, but the point is - the amount of dry fuel laying around here in Vic is just an incident waiting to happen. 'Our' (Vic gov'ts) reaction to bushfire is to decrease controlled burning but put the onus on the public by increasing planning/building regulations so that we spend more now on building a home than ever...the biggest issue I see is that the public are building homes based on a 'BAL' (bushfire attack level) rating and will assume that because their home is designed for the conditions, regardless of how much vegetation has grown around the home in the past few years, they are safe to stay in it if/when a bushfire comes knocking.

The safest place to be when a bushfire hits is far away from it. If the home owner is making an educated decision, is confident that they have done the preparation needed - sure they can stay to protect their home - personally I'd rather protect my family.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23685 posts
WA, 23685 posts
8 Jan 2013 1:27pm
all good points i didn't realise the difference. I assumed that with such hilly terrain and higher population and forests that there would be MORE controlled burns over there not less
dunno about over there but here the vast majority of fires on high risk days are arsonists. That is who needs to be eradicated...
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
8 Jan 2013 2:10pm
Mark _australia said...
all good points i didn't realise the difference. I assumed that with such hilly terrain and higher population and forests that there would be MORE controlled burns over there not less
dunno about over there but here the vast majority of fires on high risk days are arsonists. That is who needs to be eradicated...


A wise old fireman once told me there were 3 causes of fire. Men , women and children.

There are all sorts of other reasons why more or less than whatever the ideal amount of prescribed burning to be done gets done. From politics to environmental considerations and even to townsfolk worried about sooty washing on the line. I'm sure you can all think of 3 more. Don't think we'll solve it here.
Toph
Toph
WA
1889 posts
WA, 1889 posts
8 Jan 2013 2:49pm
Unfortunately not all states have a fuel reduction program. My old man whos been in charge of his local QLD fire brigade for close to 15 years reckons WA has the best reduction of fuels. That being said, they seem to do it where it doesnt count. Probably for the reasons stated by Ian K.

Both the Roleystone/Kelmscott fire and the Marg River fire would not of been as bad had've there been recent controlled burns. Ironically, the Marg River fire was due to a fuel reduction burnoff getting out of control.

I'm a residant of Roleystone and predictably enough the same people who complained about having combustable fuel on the ground for the last 20 years, are the same people who didn't want the burns in the first place.

Having been through fires myself, I wish all the East Coast good luck today.

Don't leave it too late to leave with todays forcast condidtions. I doubt (ok,ok, except for maybe your kiteing or windersurfing gear), that there is anything in your house worth dieing for.
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