So what happens now? what if.....The indos start a sneak invasion? .....the french start newc testing of the coast of nz ? .. whos going to call the shots?
Australia... you were indicisive but now your not so sure.
Just dont ask B Brown what to do!!!

hopefully not t abbs ,shandy of light anyone wtf is that even allowed

Just saw Bob Catto , One of the" 3 Independants " having a rant on ABC news.
I got a sense that If this is as good as it gets , Australia is screwed
Maybe the idea of Queensland secesseding is not so silly

landyacht said...

Just saw Bob Catto , One of the" 3 Independants " having a rant on ABC news.
I got a sense that If this is as good as it gets , Australia is screwed
Maybe the idea of Queensland secesseding is not so silly

I am thinking that Katter and Windsor are making more sense than the rest of them combined.

They are both talking about "stable government". Without that you do not get investment, without that you do not get economic growth and without that you do not get general well being of the populace.

The secession movement has been strong in Queensland in the past as it has been in Western Australia, particularly in Kalgoorlie.

One place of particularly sensational secession success is the "Hutt River Province" which at one point in time declared war against Australia and after a suitable amount of time during which Australia offered no resistance, declared itself victor of that war.

Maybe it is time to abolish "party politics" and require all parliamentary representatives be independant (or dependant on their constituents) so as to give true representation of the people and have a government of the people, for the people (not the multi nationals) by the people.

For the third federal election in a row I performed the civic duty of being a scrutineer at a polling place on Saturday. I have done it once for a Liberal, Labor and National candidate respectively. One can do it as a private citizen also I believe.

I also handed out "how to vote cards" for our local National (Coalition) Party representative from noon till 6 when polling closed.

Some of you younger guys should do this. You are guaranteed to learn something and it will probably change your attitude about politics and your view of the voting process.

At the less busy polling places you get the opportunity to chat with the guys on the other side of the political fence. They are actually humans too!!

Hope we are not getting too political for you here green room.

cisco said...

One place of particularly sensational secession success is the "Hutt River Province" which at one point in time declared war against Australia and after a suitable amount of time during which Australia offered no resistance, declared itself victor of that war.

You would barely call it a success, more a tourist sideshow.

Trivia: As a cadet at school we would bivouac at Hutt river province, one year we all lined up on the main street and a photo was taken of Prince Leonard inspecting the troops - which appeared on the front page of the Sunday times, those involved got a stern talking to by the powers that be.

SandS said...

So what happens now? what if.....The indos start a sneak invasion? .....the french start newc testing of the coast of nz ? .. whos going to call the shots?
Australia... you were indicisive but now your not so sure.
Just dont ask B Brown what to do!!!

Yeh - the last thing we need is the most honest, intelligent and forward thinking person in politics getting involved.

Much better to stick with the status quo of tweedledee and tweedledum (oh and the wannabetweedledees) as the options..

Gestalt said...
to be honest if it wasn't for the preference system they would have already conceded.

The same could be said for the coalition...

I took GetFunky's advice and voted green. I count this result as a win

If Kevin was still PM ALP would have won... nobody in their right mind wants


This selection was really just a vote against the back stabber.

Gestalt said...
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you must be watching a different election to me Gorgo. if the alp had the majority they would have power right now. but they didn't and they don't

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http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

ALP have a majority in all States except QLD and WA. Big majorities in NSW and VIC. They have a slim majority in SA. They have a 100% majority in Tas, ACT and NT but the total in those places is relatively small.

The Coalition has a substantial majority in WA and a landslide in QLD.

So in terms of a "... the people have spoken..." the people in general have clearly stated a preference for the ALP. Queenslanders, on the other hand, have bellowed "...*** off Gillard and all your mates (or more likely Bligh).

frant said...

I think its time for everyone to take a deep breath and stand back...... your team did not win!!!!

Nobody said they did. We're just having a discussion and pointing out the results.

frant said...The people have spoken and our future is now in the hands of the three independents and they will determine the outcome. No amount of we won this or they lost that is going to change the fact that neither side won.

Our future is in the hands of the independents and whoever can negotiate a deal with them. On the current counting the ALP has a slight edge.

The Greens MP has expressed a preference for Labour but Bob Brown has said they will talk to anybody.

Katter and Windsor have heaped scorn and derision on the Nationals in general and Barnaby Joyce in particular. They may link up with their former conservative playmates ... or not.

frant said...

I think its time for everyone to take a deep breath and stand back...... your team did not win!!!!
The people have spoken and our future is now in the hands of the three independents and they will determine the outcome. No amount of we won this or they lost that is going to change the fact that neither side won.

our future isn't in the hands of 3 independants. that's why we have a senate. we are probably in a better position now than we were before the elections.

finally the major parties will take the environment serious, finally we will have real debate about the issues and hopefully we will eventually have 3 parties in the lower house.

now that's democratic.

Gorgo said...

Gestalt said...
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you must be watching a different election to me Gorgo. if the alp had the majority they would have power right now. but they didn't and they don't

....

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

ALP have a majority in all States except QLD and WA. Big majorities in NSW and VIC. They have a slim majority in SA. They have a 100% majority in Tas, ACT and NT but the total in those places is relatively small.

The Coalition has a substantial majority in WA and a landslide in QLD.

So in terms of a "... the people have spoken..." the people in general have clearly stated a preference for the ALP. Queenslanders, on the other hand, have bellowed "...*** off Gillard and all your mates (or more likely Bligh).

gorgo, our federal system is based on the whole of australia not just the resulkt in each state. that is how the americans do it. not us.

here is information about the electorates and why redistributions occur.

www.aec.gov.au/Electorates/Redistributions/Overview.htm

Gestalt said...
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gorgo, our federal system is based on the whole of australia not just the resulkt in each state. that is how the americans do it. not us.

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That is not in question.

We know what the outcome is. It's all over the papers as far as hung parliaments and independents and minority governments etc.

In terms of reading the results, on a State-by-State basis and on a population basis the ALP got the most votes and the most seats everywhere except WA and QLD.

I haven't done the math but I'm guessing that if you exclude QLD then the ALP would win.

In short, the voters of QLD have created the current situation for whatever reasons they have. The rest of us may as well have stayed at home.

I'm guessing whoever forms the minority government will be very nice to the independents and the Greens and then start greasing up to QLD (a lot) and WA.

Gestalt, Some other guy is correct as per The AEC figures the two party preferred numbers are correct. also your assertion that " if the labor party had got the majority of the votes they would be in" is incorrect . A majority of votes is incidental to winning an election.The number of seats is the thing. Oh, and the Building the education revolution question. You asked where the complaint figure came from . The BER review interim report released by the government about 2 weeks ago said the complaints figure from schools principals and or school governing bodies was aprox 2.73%. It included complaints ranging from poor work, overpriced buildings, wrong location of buildings, even wrong colours. I'm not saying that 98 % of the schools are compleley happy but 2.73% is not A RORT. It just goes to show you that when the Herald Sun/Today tonight/ACA get their teeth into it the truth comes off second best.

Maybe next time Laurie should run...

poor relative said...

My wife is still the boss.

lol

log man said...

I forgot, Gestalt, Please don't tell me the liberals have a creditable policy on global warming that is a complete and utter. the conservative parties are full of deniers, that's how and why Turnbull was removed(assassinated,knifed,stabbed.....?) for Abbott. Do you really think reducing emissions is high on his list of priorities. The suggestion that Abbott, Minchin, and the the Nationals care about the environment and global warming is utterly wrong.

read my posts again logman. at what point did i say anything about the libs view on climate change. it is clear that you are so pro labor that you are just making assumptions of what i think.

unlike you i vote based on informed policy and not party propoganda.

there are a few in this thread in shock that labor got it's ass kicked. sucked it up. democracy won.

maybe labor will get the number and maybe they won't

unl