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chrispychru
chrispychru
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19 Oct 2011 9:51pm
i watched alan jones doing the press club today yet i had to agree with everything that d1ck said how can we sell of everything we have to mining companys in order for our lazy government to make a quick buck,cause they have screwed our money so badly that they see it as the best way to get out of debt..short term gain for governments for a big time loss for the people? the japs got sick of buying meat of us so they bought our cattle stations. we are a country with every mineral the world needs,coal,iron ore,gold and the big daddy uranium, we have some of the best farming land in the world. pretty much self sufficient i think. so why are we bending over to the crap that is going on and not being the super power that we should be?
BulldogPup
BulldogPup
6657 posts
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19 Oct 2011 8:02pm
Probably because we (the nation not me tho') are so used to copping rotten foreign invested metwurst up the jacksey that it's become accepted practice -just my opinion.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
19 Oct 2011 10:21pm
miners aren't ruining farming.

coles and woolworths are ruining farming.
chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
7932 posts
QLD, 7932 posts
19 Oct 2011 10:40pm
^^^^^yes they are,along with small business,another government screw up. yet when you sell and allow millions of hectares of already owned land by farmers to be used as exploration and then to be dug up and fu?ed forever for the sole purpose of profit to mining companies how are they not screwing farmers? check the facts of what is being sold to them and why. its not just coles and woolies, even though they suck just as big di/k as the pollies that are doing us over.
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
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19 Oct 2011 11:53pm
swoosh said...
coles and woolworths are ruining farming.


Who's forcing the farmers to sell to c&w?
Who's forcing us to buy from c&w?
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
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19 Oct 2011 10:57pm
Who's been stealing farmers?

This is all you need to know about alan jones...
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
19 Oct 2011 10:00pm
FlySurfer said...

swoosh said...
coles and woolworths are ruining farming.


Who's forcing the farmers to sell to c&w?
Who's forcing us to buy from c&w?


Well who else do they sell too in any sort of quantity to sustain a a half decent living. These two majors have a monopoly on both primary purchase and supermarket outlets. The rest in same venture combined, cant even compete.
The enemy of the people, today's government's has allowed this to happen because they are addicted to the huge contribution funds being delved out at election time.
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
19 Oct 2011 10:22pm
As kids we used to steal stuff of farmers all the time. i used to get oranges and other fruit & vege .
BulldogPup
BulldogPup
6657 posts
6657 posts
19 Oct 2011 10:30pm
Support your growers markets and the like dudes - only use the Big 2 when it's absolutely inevitable (jmo) .... further proof of argument??? remember the price you'll be forced to pay at one of their fuel stations for anything!
Buy those carnarvon bananas to help them poor bast**ds get on their feet again .... next time your cruisin' south , stop & buy the stall Fruit & veg - it's just the little things that keep the farmers alive in Oz.
gibberjoe
gibberjoe
SA
956 posts
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20 Oct 2011 9:11am

It was a riviting preformance of the jones boy.....who I dislike intently

I think what is happening in Australia at this time is that many people are saying

the same thing, but using different words, It will all align soon when the inmates

of auz, awake from their slumber and take action [}:)]
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
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20 Oct 2011 10:05am
Perhaps land rights need to be reviewed. It seems like freehold is not exactly freehold. Is it unreasonable to assume if your land is fenced and in reasonable order then you can decide who can and cannot enter your land? A mining company may buy prospecting or mining rights where your property lies but it should be up to you as to whether you let them come onto your land or not.
Cal
Cal
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Cal Cal
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20 Oct 2011 11:21am
One of the VERY few times that I agree with any of what AJ has to say. A lot is wrong with the way Australia's resources are managed. I am not against mining, but mining without a view to the long term future can easily be described as criminal.

I do not understand how water, food and health security are not considered more seriously by the Australian public. Without environmental security, none of these three are sustainable in the longterm.
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7298 posts
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20 Oct 2011 9:44am
Cal said...

One of the VERY few times that I agree with any of what AJ has to say. A lot is wrong with the way Australia's resources are managed. I am not against mining, but mining without a view to the long term future can easily be described as criminal.

I do not understand how water, food and health security are not considered more seriously by the Australian public. Without environmental security, none of these three are sustainable in the longterm.


And you reckon that farmers have a perfect record of conducting their business in a sustainable way ?

I would suggest that the 'farming industry' isn't much better than the 'mining industry' in acting in an environmentally sound and sustainable way.

For example, growing rice, the worlds most water hungry crop in the driest state of the driest continent in the world and then complaining about water availability, water allocation and potential water interferance from mining seems somewhat wrong to me.

I would suggest that for the last 2,000 years more environmenatal harm has been done by 'farming' than by 'mining'. Not to say that can't change but maybe the farming industry should sort its own **** out before flinging it at everybody else quite so readily.
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7298 posts
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20 Oct 2011 9:56am
Another example -

A mining company, lets call them BPH or ROI for the purposes of this example, owns both the mining lease and the pastoral lease on a peice of crown land.

They want to clear some bush to build a road.

Under the mining lease they have to submit exploration licenses, enviro impact studies, clearing permits, rehabilitation plans and financial bonds and have them approved by three levels of government.

If they want to build the same road under the pastoral lease, they need to put a bloke on a dozer and point him in the right direction.

And mining is out of control but farming is the saviour of Australia ?
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
2115 posts
NSW, 2115 posts
20 Oct 2011 2:02pm
FlySurfer said...

swoosh said...
coles and woolworths are ruining farming.


Who's forcing the farmers to sell to c&w?
Who's forcing us to buy from c&w?


Answer: A lack of competition
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
20 Oct 2011 4:29pm
mineral1 said...

FlySurfer said...

swoosh said...
coles and woolworths are ruining farming.


Who's forcing the farmers to sell to c&w?
Who's forcing us to buy from c&w?


Well who else do they sell too in any sort of quantity to sustain a a half decent living. These two majors have a monopoly on both primary purchase and supermarket outlets. The rest in same venture combined, cant even compete.

The enemy of the people, today's government's has allowed this to happen because they are addicted to the huge contribution funds being delved out at election time.


So... you're advocating the government sets fixed prices for everything?

Something my great-grandmother used to say, very, very quietly of course, has always stuck with me. "At least under the Tsars the lights worked".
K Dog
K Dog
VIC
1847 posts
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20 Oct 2011 5:49pm
When a cartel holds a market, it destroys or absorbs competition due to its size and influence..... that's what C & W do..... (its no different to dr.g cartels)

Ask anyone who has worked in their head offices....

I have a mate who supplies sheep to C, and he gets about 2.30 per kilo..... so how big do you think C margins must be????

Gov has a responsibility TO ITS PEOPLE - not business, its not elected by business.... and therefore should have look into this anti competitive behavour and do something about it.....

chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
7932 posts
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20 Oct 2011 5:08pm
so carantoc when the mines find out you have large gas supplies under your house and the government say yeh go forth and dig it up, what will you do? open the gates and say go for it? dont laugh they are doing it in sydney
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
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20 Oct 2011 8:15pm
W&C have 80% market share in Australia together. The govt. (ACCC) Have allowed creeping acquisitions for over 20 years, which is why we have a duopoly in the supermarket sector. The ACCC, need to provide a market cap, and slowly reduce the allowable expansion to allow further competition to flourish in years to come. There is no short term fix.

KR
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
20 Oct 2011 6:54pm
Little Jon said...

FlySurfer said...

swoosh said...
coles and woolworths are ruining farming.


Who's forcing the farmers to sell to c&w?
Who's forcing us to buy from c&w?


Answer: A lack of competition


What competition....non here in good old WA
There is c/w and c/w and then there's c/w, oh and up the road there c/w
SomeOtherGuy
SomeOtherGuy
NSW
807 posts
NSW, 807 posts
20 Oct 2011 10:06pm
kyteryder said...

W&C have 80% market share in Australia together. The govt. (ACCC) Have allowed creeping acquisitions for over 20 years, which is why we have a duopoly in the supermarket sector. The ACCC, need to provide a market cap, and slowly reduce the allowable expansion to allow further competition to flourish in years to come. There is no short term fix.

KR


Good answer
choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
SA, 4186 posts
20 Oct 2011 10:04pm
Carantoc said...

Cal said...

One of the VERY few times that I agree with any of what AJ has to say. A lot is wrong with the way Australia's resources are managed. I am not against mining, but mining without a view to the long term future can easily be described as criminal.

I do not understand how water, food and health security are not considered more seriously by the Australian public. Without environmental security, none of these three are sustainable in the longterm.


And you reckon that farmers have a perfect record of conducting their business in a sustainable way ?

I would suggest that the 'farming industry' isn't much better than the 'mining industry' in acting in an environmentally sound and sustainable way.

For example, growing rice, the worlds most water hungry crop in the driest state of the driest continent in the world and then complaining about water availability, water allocation and potential water interferance from mining seems somewhat wrong to me.

I would suggest that for the last 2,000 years more environmenatal harm has been done by 'farming' than by 'mining'. Not to say that can't change but maybe the farming industry should sort its own **** out before flinging it at everybody else quite so readily.


pff try eating iron ore, uranium etc...food is food no food dont $hit dont $hit you die, ACCC is a joke
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7298 posts
WA, 7298 posts
20 Oct 2011 8:00pm
chrispychru said...

so carantoc when the mines find out you have large gas supplies under your house and the government say yeh go forth and dig it up, what will you do? open the gates and say go for it? dont laugh they are doing it in sydney


Not at all. I think Mobyd put it well. Freehold may not automatically entitle you to the mineral wealth below ground, but it should allow you to have the say over who traverses over the surface and how they affect the surface, either directly or indirectly.

I'll open the gates and say go for it if they can prove they will benefit both myself, the environment and society. I kinda like the lights coming on when I flick a switch and my car able to take my children to school.

My point was more that the argument seems to be mining big dirty business against poor downtrodden socially responsible farmer, with the average Australian being screwed over by miners whilst the farmer works 26 hours a day to put bread on my table.

I don't see it quite as black and white as that. Farming has not done much more for the well being of Australia than mining has. Neither has a good environmental or social record, both have created wealth.

I certainly don't see one as perfect and the other corrupt. I don't see much difference between the two in fact. I rate them as pretty even in performance.

And I would just mention that I own a farm and get paid by miners, so I have nothing but an interest in promoting both, but end of the day both industries can do an awful lot better and should be supporting each other, not publically slagging each other off.


And - in reference to the original point, yes short sighted political gain has resulted in (and is still causing) a massive loss of value that either industry could be delivering. But they should sit down and sort it out together for the benfit of both and the benefit of Australia, not arguing amongst themselves.
chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
7932 posts
QLD, 7932 posts
20 Oct 2011 10:21pm
well you read it all wrong then. have another read of what i posted before you start looking after the mining companies and justifying what is going on
BulldogPup
BulldogPup
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20 Oct 2011 8:35pm
Mining companies are pretty much foreign owned or influenced fleabags intent on raping Oz and giving nothing back except if it gets them 5 minutes of advertisement - scumbags I reckon..JMO!
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7298 posts
WA, 7298 posts
20 Oct 2011 8:42pm
chrispychru said...
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..... when you sell and allow millions of hectares of already owned land by farmers to be used as exploration and then to be dug up and fu?ed forever for the sole purpose of profit to mining companies how are they not screwing farmers? ...


This is what I read.

This is my point :

Farmers are not innocent social do-gooders being ****ed over by big miners forever.

As examples, the farming industry over the last 200 years has been worse for both biodiversity and indigenous poverty than mining has. Neither has done either issue much good, whilst both have done many good things, but the farming industry is not an innocent bystander being ****ed over by evil miners.

Why is Australia exporting raw commodities for rock bottom prices and not processing and manufacturing anything is a point I can only agree with.

Australia is selling out its farming land to overseas investments is not quite so true, as infact evidenced in a recent Senate enquiry.

What percentage of food production is currently exported soley for the profit of multinational farming conglomerates ? Nobody seems to ready to point out.

Why does Alan Jones spout popularist right wing mis-information, becuase that is what gets him an audience.
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7298 posts
WA, 7298 posts
20 Oct 2011 8:46pm
BulldogPup said...

Mining companies are pretty much foreign owned or influenced fleabags intent on raping Oz and giving nothing back except if it gets them 5 minutes of advertisement - scumbags I reckon..JMO!


Couldn't agree more. Except I add that farming companies are pretty much foreign owned or influenced fleabags intent on raping Oz and giving nothing back except if it gets them 5 minutes of advertisement.

As for bankers ...
chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
7932 posts
QLD, 7932 posts
20 Oct 2011 10:51pm
Carantoc said...

chrispychru said...
[br
..... when you sell and allow millions of hectares of already owned land by farmers to be used as exploration and then to be dug up and fu?ed forever for the sole purpose of profit to mining companies how are they not screwing farmers? ...


This is what I read.

This is my point :

Farmers are not innocent social do-gooders being ****ed over by big miners forever.

As examples, the farming industry over the last 200 years has been worse for both biodiversity and indigenous poverty than mining has. Neither has done either issue much good, whilst both have done many good things, but the farming industry is not an innocent bystander being ****ed over by evil miners.

Why is Australia exporting raw commodities for rock bottom prices and not processing and manufacturing anything is a point I can only agree with.

Australia is selling out its farming land to overseas investments is not quite so true, as infact evidenced in a recent Senate enquiry.

What percentage of food production is currently exported soley for the profit of multinational farming conglomerates ? Nobody seems to ready to point out.

Why does Alan Jones spout popularist right wing mis-information, becuase that is what gets him an audience.



well read it all then. pffft
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