not usually into spreading mass messages, but this may be worth the exception.

http://www.whalesrevenge.com/poll.php?show_all=1

signed up for that one already should help a lot....

Ok to act as devils advocate.

As a meat eating race why should we not hunt kill and eat whales?
If it is done in a sustainable way and killing is humane (if killing can be humane) whats the problem?

Whats the difference between eating a whale or eating a cow or eating a pig.

umm, no ones breeding whales in a pond and feeding them lots of chicken pellets.

the skipper said...

umm, no ones breeding whales in a pond and feeding them lots of chicken pellets.

Exactly

i'd rather have an exploding harpoon through my head;; than be stuck on a stinking filthy truck, in a space so confined i cant turn round, getting pissed and Sh#t on my relatives , for hours on end, then have to endure a similar trip on a ship for days on end, only to find out when i reach my destination, i'll probabbly be knocked around for a few days, then hung up and have my throat slit while i'm a still alive.........


ahem double standards Australia.

Suicides are rarely reported on the news...

WINDY MILLER said...

i'd rather have an exploding harpoon through my head;; than be stuck on a stinking filthy truck, in a space so confined i cant turn round, getting pissed and Sh#t on my relatives , for hours on end, then have to endure a similar trip on a ship for days on end, only to find out when i reach my destination, i'll probabbly be knocked around for a few days, then hung up and have my throat slit while i'm a still alive.........


ahem double standards Australia.

Once again vote with your wallet or in this case your stomach. Dont eat lamb or any kind of meat...
Next time you sink your teeth into a juicy piece of steak, think about how that tiny bit of meat got onto your plate in the first place? And the damage to the environment it had just to satisfy your taste buds...

DL said...

Dennis Leary:
There's the problem, right? We have these little cute pangs in our bellies because we're human beings. That's how we decide which animals to save. It's all a matter of how cute they are. "Oh, look at the baby seals with the big brown eyes and the furry little fur. Don't do anything to them. Leave them alone." "But the cows are big and dumb and stupid. **** them. Let's eat them all. C'mon. Let's make jackets out of what's left over. C'mon." We might as well just have animal auditions and line them up one by one and judge them individually.
"What are you?"
"I'm an otter."
"And what do you do?"
"I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands."
"You're free to go."
"And what are you?"
"I'm a cow."
"Get in the ****in' truck, okay, pal?"
"But I'm an animal."
"You're a baseball glove."
"I'm an animal."
"You're a hat. Get on that truck. You cow. What do you think we called you a 'cow' for?"

LOL

TonyC said...

Don't plants have a right to live without being plucked, sheared or reaped straight out of the dirt - and what about all the chemicals we stuff down their throats (well roots). Sure they don't have brains and are only vegetation, not animals. So where do you draw the line - anything with a brain should not be eaten? If anyone was 100% environmentally friendly they would go and kill themselves so they wouldn't drain any natural resource at all, little enough stop driving around in their ancient cars pumping pollutants into the air - wow starting to get stereotypical - yes many double standards by all of us - we are human after all. I suppose it all comes down to what is reasonable, and how fairly/kindly an animal is reared and killed.

I think any rational human with an ounce of personal honesty can differentiate between the eating of vegatables and eating animals. I doubt anyone would be critical of another human for eating animals for survival or as thier only source of sustenance, but thats not what its all about is it? As far as the western world goes most of the exploitation and mistreatment of animals is to serve the entertainment value of eating. I find it ironic that so many people that are outraged and holier than thou about whale consumption cut themselves a whole lot of moral slack so that they can enjoy thier favorite meat.

Well I choose to eat meat, protest about whale slaughtering by the Japanese and various other issues, as and when I choose. Why, because I can - yes I am a two faced human (atleast I will admit it ) - whether we like it or not Humans are a product of mother nature and we are greedy by nature. Out of interest exactly how many here are proper vegetarians? and how many would not drive a vehicle just to go windsurfing without a better altruistic purpose for the noxious gas emitting trip. Hmmmm

TonyC said...

Well I choose to eat meat, protest about whale slaughtering by the Japanese and various other issues, as and when I choose. Why, because I can - yes I am a two faced human (atleast I will admit it ) - whether we like it or not Humans are a product of mother nature and we are greedy by nature. Out of interest exactly how many here are proper vegetarians? and how many would not drive a vehicle just to go windsurfing without a better altruistic purpose for the noxious gas emitting trip. Hmmmm

I fail to see the comparison between boiling pigs alive or letting cows bleed to death strung up on hooks, and driving a car to the ocean.


We are greedy, but unlike animals, we have the intelligence to make choices.

For me its all about reducing, reusing and recycling.
I try to reduce all the unnecessary environmental impact by not driving my car down to the shops and running the aircon and leaving lights on and using energy efficient globes and by not using the plastic bags at the shops etc etc etc
There are many things we can do to help the environment but yes it takes effort. I actually enjoy recycling. I teach my kids and they love choosing which bin in the kitchen does this rubbish go in? We as a family are growing our own vegies and fruit etc and just installed a water tank and a grey water diverter. Composting is my current interest and Im looking into buying one.
I am a vegetarian not a vegan. I eat little dairy and dont eat eggs unless they are from my neighbours chooks. I hate the thought of fishing and I definately dont eat fish or chicken.
For me I enjoy trying to live like this. I feel better inside and feel that Im at least trying to make a difference. Its a health, environment and humane choice for me. I dont think I am any better than anyone else for eating meat. In fact my wife and kids eat meat. Its their choice.
We all are trying and thats the main thing even if its only choosing to protest against whale hunting its a start.
No one is forcing us to stop driving our cars. No one is forcing us to use green shopping bags.

TonyC said...

Yes, we all have choices. And they are based on our backgrounds, beliefs and life experiences - I suppose thats what makes life interesting to a large extent - wouldn't want to live in a bland one-eyed world would we. So all our abbatoirs bleed cattle to death and boil pigs alive - is that what you are saying?

It is all a question of degrees of acceptance - hence one day we will probably be cloning humans of ourselves for body parts - we take one step in a direction, then it is not a big move to take one more step - and then you end up at the place that you would never have accepted when you started out. Its called progression and can't be prevented unless we live in a totalitarian religious environment but then again aren't there some major religions that practice exactly what you are saying.

Here's another one you might want to jump on the bandwagon for. Recreational fishing - the amount of stress the fish are put through for the pure enjoyment of the catch - even if they are released does it justify the stress (and often death) the fish are put through. Oh and fish are animals aren't they - do you eat fish?

I don't want to cause unnecessary suffering to other living entities, that includes animals. So yes I am a vegetarian (no meat, eggs etc).

With regards to choices, it's not for me to say whether you can kill or not kill animals. It comes down to personal choices. Do I think it's right? Nope, but unless the majority believe the same, it's not my place to force anyone, as you seem to be implying?

I think some peoples awareness of whats going on around them is maybe more developed and you begin to see another side of the big picture. On the other hand there are those that are really good people but are oblivious to what is happening all around them.

red pill or blue pill?

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