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elcoco
elcoco
WA
114 posts
WA, 114 posts
19 Jan 2011 4:59pm
Call Exostoses ( bone growth in the ear canal), is anyone recently has been through this particular ear surgery?. I am gonna have to go through the surgery for both ears, one in feb the other three months after. I was just wondering how long before you can get in the water again and if is very painful after surgery the recovery?
Cheers :-))
GPA
GPA
WA
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GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
19 Jan 2011 5:47pm
Not recently, but I had it done in my R ear about 10yrs ago. My case was so bad that the ear canal was completely closed... the surgery was uneventful and from memory not that painful. And i don't recall being out of the surf for that long - wounds normally take 10-14 days to heal enough to be water tight... your Dr will tell you. Basically once the stiches are out and the scab on the incision line sluffs off...

BTW, I have had no recurring problems - but do have to wear Ear Plugs when I swim or snorkel - otherwise I get water trapped in my R ear. This however is not a problem when I surf??

Still waiting for my ankle surgery to heal though - 12+ wks and still swollen and I'm still limping (tried to surf last week and ended back on hospital grade pain killers!!). Maybe try again on Australia Day...

elcoco
elcoco
WA
114 posts
WA, 114 posts
19 Jan 2011 6:04pm
thanks mate for the info
boofy
boofy
NSW
2110 posts
NSW, 2110 posts
19 Jan 2011 10:28pm
Hey mate
Make sure you get a second opinion I was diagnosed with an exostosis in my right ear last year and the ENT surgeon told me i needed an operation straight away I went back to my GP who is an ex Navy dive doctor very experienced in treating these sort of conditions he told me that with using earpugs aqua ear etc that I could possibly get another 10 years out of my ear before operating, the operation was going to cost 7k there was a reason the ENT doc was sitting behind a huge mahogany desk overlooking the beach.
cheers Boof
Flux
Flux
WA
533 posts
WA, 533 posts
19 Jan 2011 10:11pm
See this guy he is the MOST experienced guy in Perth in regard to problems of this nature.

healthengine.com.au/doctor/wa/mount-hawthorn/dr-gregory-deleuil/p1544

I am sure no medical practitioner in Perth has more experience in this field as this guy, without doubt.

elcoco
elcoco
WA
114 posts
WA, 114 posts
19 Jan 2011 10:15pm
Hey boofy, thanks for that i know what you mean. Yes i already have seen at least 4 different ENT here in perth. I have exostoses since 2001 i got diagnose in South of France, when i was working there, since then i have been avoiding surgery to a pt that now is a tiny narrow passage, causing me a bit of trouble.
i think is one of those things i am gonna have to go through and with both ears ! they are both the same. The other thing is i am going through the public system, private is too bloody expensive.
Flux
Flux
WA
533 posts
WA, 533 posts
19 Jan 2011 10:32pm
I should charge you for the information I just gave you.... but you don't even realize oh well good luck either way.
elcoco
elcoco
WA
114 posts
WA, 114 posts
19 Jan 2011 10:33pm
Thanks Flux, I went to see Dr Rodrigues in RPH twice, one in 2005 and the other one recently, he is apparently one of the best ENT in Perth. The truth is this guy is not going to do an operation like exostoses his team will do it, he told me that, he is more concentrate into deeper ear surgery like Osteomas and stuff like that. This is what is happening with most of the ENT if you are going through the public. So i think, well i am hoping that Dr Desmond Wee which is the one is going to do the surgery in my ear will be good enough to do a good job. I appreciated your info.
elcoco
elcoco
WA
114 posts
WA, 114 posts
19 Jan 2011 10:52pm
Hey flux, can you explain yourself better? i am not questioning that this guy is very good. Can i go through the public system to see him or he is just private?
Mister Dugong
Mister Dugong
368 posts
368 posts
20 Jan 2011 10:59am
Dr wee did my right ear. After a week i went for a check up. I was a really good boy and kept it dry in the shower etc. He decided to leave the dressing in place to avoid unnecessary chance of infection, i have to admit i agreed. A week later and three nights of pain i went back and had the dressing removed with copious amounts of puss... turns out even as hard as i tried moisture still got in that first week.

Dr wee recomends at least 6 weeks and prefers 12 weeks for recovery, due to the infection i was out for 24 weeks... I have lost some hearing i presume due to scar tissue from the infection and constant ringing which i am starting to get used to.
This was about a year and a half ago. A friend i run into every now and then had the same thing happen.

The good news is because i was dry for so long my left ear had a chance to dry out properly, the water that gets trapped in behind the estosis and causes the discomfort started draining out better. I use aqua ear after showers and surfing although probably not enough.

Dr something or others Pro Plugs at one of the surf shops in margret river work unreal at 25 bucks a pop they dont even wash out that easy. Water still gets in but not nearly as much. I also found wind doesnt help the ears flaring up and the plugs help this. At the moment i dont have any pro plugs and use blu tac. The blu tac i wack in the ear hole (although not in big surf as they cannot equalise like the pro plugs do) and chuck it in the bin after the surf. 2.50 a packet bargain!!!!

So if i could have avoided the surgery i would have, but this would mean staying out of the water, shower cap included, for six months any way!! I dont know of any other ent guys other than dr wee but he does do alot of surfers...
so your not an experiment... All surgery is disruptive, which really sux.

Best wishes mate
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
20 Jan 2011 2:40pm
Which method of surgery have you guys had?

... There are two different approaches to the surgery, the first uses a small incision behind the ear and the excess bone growth is removed using a surgical drill, and the second uses a drill to remove the bone growth from inside of the ear canal itself.. After the surgery, it is important for the patient to avoid any cold water activities for 2-6 weeks in order to prevent complications or infections


www.sutterhealth.org/pamf/services/ear-nose-throat/surfers-ear-surgery-pamf
Obelix
Obelix
WA
1173 posts
WA, 1173 posts
20 Jan 2011 12:06pm
I have it for 15+ years now. Every spring, I tend to get a bit of infection, due to the water retention.
I also hear less and less. 10 years ago up to 6000Hz, now under 5000Hz...

I'm very keen to hear as many experiences as possible.
If you had it , please write about it.

A GP with a lot of diving experience told me 10 years ago: "It's normally a very bloody operation, but it is easy and I can do here".

An ear specialist told me 6 years ago: "No need to do anything. It does not affect hearing. Your loss of hearing is affected by your army days (shooting etc.)"

I read about the laser surgery 10 years ago. No blood, no infection. "It crumbles the bone under the skin and avoids further hearing loss caused by the drill". Whatever...never managed to find the reference again.

So a chisel...www.sutterhealth.org/pamf/services/ear-nose-throat/surfers-ear-surgery-pamf

Mister Dugong
Mister Dugong
368 posts
368 posts
20 Jan 2011 12:30pm
dr wee uses the method of chiseling/drilling through the ear canal as opposed to the incision behind the ear. This is supposed to reduce recovery time. He did comment that it "was bloody hard work". Proof that i really do have rocks in my head. boom tish boom.!!!

Unless you are in pain, uselessly deaf or the sound of water in your ear is sending you insane, i would not have the surgery.

but hey the alternative is to dry your ears for 6 months at least (including in the shower)...my theory is it will make the bone growth brittle and its formation will slow as the ear no longer has to protect the eardrum from the cold. The hole will become more free er of debris allowing water to get in and out easier, (combined with earplugs) and stopping the pain from infection.

catch 22 really.

Unless you are in pain, uselessly deaf or the sound of water in your ear is sending you insane, i would not have the surgery.

Mister Dugong
Mister Dugong
368 posts
368 posts
20 Jan 2011 12:34pm
[/b[b]]if you are reading this and dont have ear problems yet you should start wearing a hood and use pro plugs where possible.

The effects of the cold are the primary cause

and just suckin it in and getting used to the hood is going to dramatically improve your life as an elderly surfer.
Obelix
Obelix
WA
1173 posts
WA, 1173 posts
20 Jan 2011 1:01pm
Unless you are in pain, uselessly deaf or the sound of water in your ear is sending you insane, i would not have the surgery.

After all the horror stories I read abotu the pain, complications, etc...
I'm avoiding it, and dreading the day it will make me useless at work as I would be deaf when I'll have to make it.

I'm skin diving a lot, and wearing a hood for a few years now.
Helps greatly to reduce the ear pain and infections.
Unfortunately too late.

Wearing the hood for the winter/spring windsurfing too. My dear fellow windsurfers making jokes, but couldnt' be bothered explaining over and over again.

BTW, started wearing a Gath helmet recently, and it feels much much better than it looks . However it causes a lot of noise in ears, and extra ringing.
GPA
GPA
WA
2529 posts
GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
20 Jan 2011 1:02pm
All I can say is that I saw a photo of my R ear canal prior to surgery and the boney growth had all but closed the canal - and I had a very noticeable loss in hearing. When it finally 'closed' I had the sense of a constantly blocked ear (no pain) and that caused me to seek treatment. Until then I was quite oblivious to the problem (as my L ear was fine - and still is).

The surgery I had opened up the ear with a 'cork-screw' type incision starting from behind the ear and I believe took the bone out from within...

Yes it was bloody for a couple of days afterwards, but I do not recall having too much time out of the surf 2-3wks at most. Ditto the pain...

I've had a few surgeries - ears, nose, dental, ankle and I thought the ear surgery was OK.

Just my experience.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
20 Jan 2011 5:09pm
I don't get infections but I do have a whistling noise in my ear (not the sound of the wind blowing through).

I get a few total blockages each year. Usually when going somewhere tropical for a holiday.

Sometimes the ear gets a little smelly.

Aqua Ear and such things are no help at all and tend to irritate my ear.

I used to get the ear syringed by a doctor and that helped a lot. It's a pain in the arse getting it done and some doctors are a bit heavy handed so it could be a pain in the ear too. There is no way I would let a doctor in a third world country have a go at my ear.

I bought a DIY ear syringe and that has been good. It's easy enough to use but not so effective that there's a risk of damaging my ear.

http://www.keypharm.com.au/products/ear_clear_ear_syringe.php

I'm not sure about ear surgery. Everything I have had fixed by surgery I have been amazed by the results and wished I had done it years ago. Good surgeons will never operate unless they really have to.
Obelix
Obelix
WA
1173 posts
WA, 1173 posts
20 Jan 2011 10:33pm
My ears are clean, as I'm in the water a lot. No such problems luckily.

So Gorgo , you are planning to have a surgery?
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
21 Jan 2011 11:48am
Not really. It got to the stage where I asked the GP for a referral to a specialist but I never followed it up.

Overall I manage it ok with the occasional syringing and getting on top of any squishiness before it becomes a problem.

I recently spent a couple of weeks in a house with a pool and swimming laps every day made my ear a bit water logged.

If the symptoms get worse or I get more knowledgeable about the surgery I will follow it up.
markus9494
markus9494
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
22 Jan 2011 12:59am
I promise I don't own shares in the company - there is a mob over East called Sassal Health who sell Surfers Ear drops. They are $25 a bottle but last ages. I have had both ears operated on for Exostoses about 15 years ago. I was getting constant ear infections after surfing (this is after the bony growths came back - post operation). Worse infections in the tropics because of the humidity and coral polyps in the water. Tried Docs Proplugs (annoying) Aqua Ear and a Gath hat. Not all at the same time, of course. Stumbled upon these drops when they were in the trial stage. I put them in when I go to sleep at night after surfing or swimming. No need to use cotton wool, just let it drain out as it doesn't stain. Then roll over and do the other ear. A couple of minutes each side is enough.The concoction is mainly alcohol based like Aqua Ear but it does have some other magic ingredient/s as well. My last visit to the Dr for ear infections was before I started using them around 5 years ago. Before that it was several times a year, heaps of time out of the water and heaps of anitbiotics. I just came back from a week at Balian which is never clean water, surfing every day and the rains had washed all sorts of goo downstream as well. No problems with my ears. Hope this helps some of you poor buggers out there.
Obelix
Obelix
WA
1173 posts
WA, 1173 posts
22 Jan 2011 4:41pm
Markus, thanks for sharing your experience.

Did you have any hearing loss prior to the operation, and has your hearing improved after it?
NasiGoreng
NasiGoreng
VIC
260 posts
VIC, 260 posts
23 Jan 2011 1:07am
post this on a UK surfing forum as us poms surf in fricken cold water.

Ive known of quite a few people that have had it done.

The method they had was basically a makita drill bit down the canal.

said it was painful, but you guys seem to know some surgeons that arent butchers from the previous posts.

best of luck,

ps. blue tack is the best plug ever - dont care what anyone else says about expensive brands, its sticky and its great. also come sin white if you dont want to look like a vulcan. I know plug my ears every sail/ surf to avoid this ear problem
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