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Armstrong Foil 1200 and 800 review

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Created by KB7 Wednesday, 4 Dec 2019
KB7
NSW, 28 posts
Wednesday , 4 Dec 2019 3:14PM
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I've had the Armstrong foil with 85cm mast ,800cm and 1200cm wings for about 2 months now , I only use it with a kite. After 25hours on the 1200 and 10hrs on the 800, in conditions ranging from 1ft to 6ft waves, 12 - 25 knots, I expect this ratio to continue as I will explain.

Background: I'm 87Kg , windsurfed 40 years and kiting for 19,usually in waves. Last year I finally decided to get into foiling and I bought the Axis 680 with the full intention of using the foil for kite and prone surfing. Quickly gave up the prone idea, waves not suitable here and too many close calls with the foil.

The Axis was a great foil to learn to Kite foil on very easy to ride and stable, solid build , no complaints. However over the years I've found that most things carbon are usually better so I decided I wanted a full carbon foil and started researching the market.

Finally obtained budget approval from the wife and bought the Armstrong foil from Morgan at Ozone NZ who had stock and was a pleasure to deal with.

Everything comes in its own bag, all surfaces have the same brushed carbon weave finish with the deadly sea snake (don't bite me) paint job. It looks awesome, super light and the quality of the finish is like a work of carbon art. Even the shims and mast fitting hardware are custom titanium which shows an incredible attention to detail. The way the fuse fits the mast is innovative and solid the wings can be changed over with just 2 screws in under 2 minutes. Its easy so you do it more often and always ride the right wing for the day.


1200 Wing.
This wing is similar size to my old Axis 680 axis so I rode it first. High anticipation having spent so much money, would it make a difference? I had the answer on the first run, so quiet, smooth and balanced. I've done close to 500km on this wing now and absolutely love it for my style of riding which is wave riding with the smallest kite possible. It can be slowed down to walking pace but will also chase down swell at well over 30Kmph but always in such good control. My favorite move is a down loop jibe onto an oncoming wave the faster the better. With the Axis I would often breach as the power loop kicked in or as the foil engaged with the wave after the turn and my front foot couldn't hold it in . With the Armstrong you just go around the turn and come out smiling, there is no pressure increase as the speed increases the balance is perfect. Another major point of difference is the handling in rips and white water. You know you are in the rip but its never an issue and going out though white water is a none event. Just check your speed depower the kite and glide on though, I rarely ever fall now going though broken waves. I can only think the difference is due to mast flex. I was sold into the stiffer is better argument of Axis but after riding the Armstrong I have to agree with Armstrong that some reactive flex is good.

800 Wing
This is not the smaller brother of the 1200 but a totally different design with an anhedral wing. I ride it in the same track position as the 1200, the only adjustment is my front foot is about 2cm back. Again a very easy foil to ride much faster than the 1200 (about 4-6Kmph average) it feels like there is no resistance at all. Same perfect balance with no shim change. I need to ride it powered to really go up wind. You can go into turns in flat water at insane speed its effortless. Off the wind over 40Kmph without really trying. I'm sure it would jump well but I don't have the straps on to try. On the wave you don't feel that same foil engagement with the wave like the 1200, it wants to go too fast down the line. It's a great foil to ride when its windy and makes flat water fun but I prefer the 1200 for most sessions.

Certainly glad I bought both wings to mix it up.

So Its allot of money but I've improved so much just by changing foils and for the hours of enjoyment I feel good value. In addition I'll probably get a windwing at some point and then just need to add the Armstrong 1550wing, same 2min switch over so the system is very versatile. Riding the Armstrong foil is like riding my Yeti Mountain bike, you just feel like its something special and you have no excuses for not being able to improve.

Great work by a Kiwi company they deserve to do well.

hilly
WA, 4942 posts
Wednesday , 4 Dec 2019 3:25PM
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Great review, totally agree with your point on flex. Bloody awesome kit
And no tefgel No fizz bro!

wolfieee
2 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 6:51AM
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I just got this setup today!! Same foils and mast.

I started this spring and learned on a Slingshot Space Skate and Infinity 76.

Is the 1200 fun on flat water, as well? I'm hoping it will be a nice wing to learn flying jibes (with foot stance change) on. Right now I bring the board (Alien Air) down on the water surface to swap feet.

Can't wait to try the new gear!!

Thanks for posting your review!

eppo
WA, 7365 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 8:09AM
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Nice review

Kamikuza
QLD, 4542 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 1:22PM
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hilly said..
Great review, totally agree with your point on flex. Bloody awesome kit
And no tefgel No fizz bro!



I think the consensus is you still need TedGel.

provenproductivity.com/galvanic-corrosion-carbon-fiber-materials-2/

natho6026961
WA, 45 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 12:56PM
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Incredibly nice looking gear. The hex fuselage design is nothing short of amazing, not to mention the shims

KB7
NSW, 28 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 3:56PM
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You are going to love it, so few about at the moment. I never had a chance to demo so a leap of faith but all good.

The 1200 is still fun in flat water and the best wing for learning tricks because it has allot of lift and low stall speed which gives you more chance of recovery. It's very well balanced and there is a wide sweat spot that makes foot switches easier.

If you are not learning tricks then the 800 is more fun in flat water. You can turn so hard at high speed and really lay over.

Kami...No need for Tef Gel (one of the reasons I went with Armstrong) it has stainless screws into titanium threads. I took it apart after 2months just to check, nothing wrong, I've only changed over wings in that time. ( I rinse after every session but leave the foil and board together)

Kamikuza
QLD, 4542 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 3:03PM
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Ti seems to be the solution. Wonder how much weight you save

Had a demo/prototype foil in NZ for two months, only used in salt water and un-anodized mast/plate. No corrosion either, so I do wonder how much of a problem it actually is in such short term...

wolfieee
2 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 3:00PM
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Thanks for the reply KB7. I can't wait to try it!

hilly
WA, 4942 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 3:23PM
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Kamikuza said..

hilly said..
Great review, totally agree with your point on flex. Bloody awesome kit
And no tefgel No fizz bro!




I think the consensus is you still need TedGel.

provenproductivity.com/galvanic-corrosion-carbon-fiber-materials-2/


No you do not. Left mine unwashed assembled for weeks at a time, correction months. No issue. Armie states "You can leave it at the bottom of the ocean for 20 years and still no fizz". Best thing I ever did was to get away from ali - it is heavy and corrodes.

hilly
WA, 4942 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 3:25PM
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Kamikuza said.. Ti seems to be the solution. Wonder how much weight you save


Over a kilo difference from Axis to Armstrong, very noticeable.

West Oz Kite
WA, 228 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 3:57PM
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Great review of a bloody great product, we are now stocking more and more of the Armstrong gear as it is getting such positive feedback.

I personally have been riding all the wings now and absolutely love the CF800 and 1200 for kiting.

My previous J Shapes set up was also from New Zealand and still rate very highly but really wanted a set up that i could interchange wings for Surf/Sup/Tow/kite and now winging plus the fact that my young fella can use the same gear as me.

We have just received the new HS232 tail wing which i will give feedback on as i am super exited for the extra performance as we did notice the slight drag when kiting at speed on the current Uni Tail wing, not much and still fast enough.

Cheers
Jason
WA SURF






Kamikuza
QLD, 4542 posts
Friday , 6 Dec 2019 9:14PM
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hilly said..

Kamikuza said.. Ti seems to be the solution. Wonder how much weight you save



Over a kilo difference from Axis to Armstrong, very noticeable.


No I meant changing out the bolts for titanium ones

Oh the core is Ti too isn't it...

Youngbreezy
WA, 591 posts
Yesterday , 8 Dec 2019 1:58PM
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I should not be reading this!!!



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