3 MIle at Gnaraloo ban generators

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GBoss
GBoss
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27 May 2011 2:39pm
Well the world did not end on May 21st as predicted by Rapture Preacher Harold Camping. And now our own Australian prophet Reflex Films may also been proved wrong.
Gennies are not the end of the world at 3 Mile Camp on Gnaraloo station as it is proposed to ban them from end of the September 2011 school holidays. This is a step to try to maintain 3 Mile Camp as a WILDERNESS TOURISM destination so that generations to come can still get away from the all encompassing commercialism and consumerism
Sentiment in the camp is mixed. Some would like to ban them immediately but there has to be a transiton period too allows people to make alternative arrangements. Others are saying they won't come back if they cannot use their generator.
If generators are banned it is proposed to increase the availability of plug spots at the shop where you can plug in an Engle fridge
bjw
bjw
QLD
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bjw bjw
QLD, 3691 posts
27 May 2011 6:01pm
How will they watch "The farmer wants a wife" at Gnaraloo without a Genny?

They obviously didn't think this through then did they?
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
27 May 2011 6:39pm
GBoss said...

Others are saying they won't come back if they cannot use their generator.


And the problem with that is?!?!?!
MikeN
MikeN
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
27 May 2011 6:15pm
That is a brilliant move G-Boss , thanks .
See you after the Sept school holidays .
Jared888
Jared888
WA
389 posts
WA, 389 posts
27 May 2011 7:10pm
good idea,

Is it to be a total ban,

There are some pretty quiet generators, I have the honda EU2000i Camo and is uper quite, I could probably put in a compartment in troppy and you would not hear it.

Maybe a DB limit would be something to consider,

Lots of extra traffic at shop, very clever bussiness is bussnes I guess whats a greater commercialism of a shop or self sufficient people using a gererator I dont have the answer
Weta
Weta
WA
893 posts
WA, 893 posts
27 May 2011 8:29pm
GBoss i appluad your intentions.

You say you are doing this for customers who are seeking a WILDERNESS EXPERIENCE. I think you will find that people come to Gnaraloo station and the Bluff to stay because they are the only 2 locations that i know of where you can legally camp in a great stretch of coastline. If you are really chasing a WILDERNESS EXPERIENCE then you would go BUSH!!!.

I think you will find alot of travellers want a certain amount of "outdoor living" with a degree of comfort depending on their age etc.

Generators are noisy and do detract from enjoying the peace of being away from civilization. My suggestion would be to limit their use to an area and time away from the main camping area. My flame suit is engaged.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
27 May 2011 9:50pm
Definitely gets the thumbs up from me GBoss.
Even though I have taken one of the quiet little Honda EU1000 generators the last couple of times, I am more than happy to do without it.
Hunter S
Hunter S
WA
516 posts
WA, 516 posts
27 May 2011 9:53pm
Weta said...


I think you will find alot of travellers want a certain amount of "outdoor living" with a degree of comfort depending on their age etc.


Mate I'm in my mid fifties and use solar. The father in law is in his late seventies - he's used solar for the last ten years and kept the mother in law comfy all over the NW. Seriously - you don't need generators no matter what your age.
Jared888
Jared888
WA
389 posts
WA, 389 posts
27 May 2011 10:18pm
rules rules rules

Everything comes down to money, if Gboss gets more people to hang around shop he'll make more money, are new proposed power outlets going to have coin slots and meters

most people are polite and aproachable sort it out amost yourselfs, or put aside some time to read the rules before you set up sounds like this is the first of many more,

Time to explore differnt spots
Weta
Weta
WA
893 posts
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28 May 2011 11:04am
GBOSS how about installing solar panels on each camp site that people can plug into??? that would enhance 3 mile camp as a WILDNERNESS TOURISM DESTINATION cut out the unwanted noise and pollution and provide power.


lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
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28 May 2011 8:01pm
^^^^^but would cost them money,,,and less shop profit,,which is what its all about(money)
Weta
Weta
WA
893 posts
WA, 893 posts
28 May 2011 7:45pm
I'm naive enough to think it's not all about Money but probably the amount of complaints about the noise from generators.

If it is about noise then what will be banned next???

From my experiences in camping grounds i have found 70% of people pretty damn respectful. In the south of WA i have had no problems; up north last year during school holidays 30% of noise came from:

1. Kids (they are allowed to make noise)
2. Feral Parents (Not Good; Need Self Control)
3. Feral Backpackers with no respect
(Running Naked around campsite; Funny. Humping next to my tent;
Wrong) Should of Thumped them.

Gboss what's driving this ban?? More Rules=Less Freedom which is not GOOD!!!
wal269
wal269
WA
718 posts
WA, 718 posts
28 May 2011 8:26pm
I love it when people get on a forum and complain that businesses are about making money ?????? (Der!) and then torch the retailers, G station or who ever.

The fact that you think that way is why you will never have any money, clown; Unless a rich uncle dies or your lotto numbers come in.

Why should some body else pay to make your holiday/recreational choices better. If you don't like it don't buy or don't go.

Get a job, that's what they are for. Or better still start your own business and see what life is like on the other side.
Jared888
Jared888
WA
389 posts
WA, 389 posts
28 May 2011 8:43pm
wal269 said...

I love it when people get on a forum and complain that businesses are about making money ?????? (Der!) and then torch the retailers, G station or who ever.

The fact that you think that way is why you will never have any money, clown; Unless a rich uncle dies or your lotto numbers come in.

Why should some body else pay to make your holiday/recreational choices better. If you don't like it don't buy or don't go.

Get a job, that's what they are for. Or better still start your own business and see what life is like on the other side.


Wal you really are a horses arse

Any way it was better when you dindnt have to pay to go into the stations, just a friendly word and offer assistance around the place as long as you closed the gates.

more rules equal less fun, costs to enforce, and grumppy old man with big stick simple.

additional ammanities will cost Gboss to set up and maintain, he would be lucky to recoupe those costs, even with additional cahrges to the public,

I do have a buisness that is struggling in these times, and yet some bright coucil person has decided that coffee boards are an eye saw and should be removed, yet another rule because someone cannot communicate a better soultion to there underlying issues.

Weta
Weta
WA
893 posts
WA, 893 posts
28 May 2011 9:16pm
Wal629 Gnaraloo will have powered sites; its only a matter of time. If you ban generators there will be enough visitors without alternative means of power who will complain or go elsewhere.

Why not setup a solar farm away from the campsite and offer natural energy??

For the record Wal im not a cheap skate nor a Genie or solar panel owner.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
28 May 2011 10:13pm
Weta said...

I'm naive enough to think it's not all about Money but probably the amount of complaints about the noise from generators.

If it is about noise then what will be banned next???

From my experiences in camping grounds i have found 70% of people pretty damn respectful. In the south of WA i have had no problems; up north last year during school holidays 30% of noise came from:

1. Kids (they are allowed to make noise)
2. Feral Parents (Not Good; Need Self Control)
3. Feral Backpackers with no respect
(Running Naked around campsite; Funny. Humping next to my tent;
Wrong) Should of Thumped them.

Gboss what's driving this ban?? More Rules=Less Freedom which is not GOOD!!!


I thought the backpackers humping next to your tent was funny
And don't forget the first ones to wake you up were the bl##^y birds
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
29 May 2011 12:24am
TurtleHunter said...

I thought the backpackers humping next to your tent was funny


I have always found a full bucket of nice cold water sorted that problem...
Weta
Weta
WA
893 posts
WA, 893 posts
28 May 2011 10:29pm
Scotty in retrospect its funny...........at the time it wasn't

How's the breeze looking in October??

rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
29 May 2011 12:10pm
After spending Easter at 3 Mile I applaud your decision G-Boss.

The noise (especially after dark) of them really does ruin what is a fantastic experience at Gnaraloo. I know some people with gennies were spoken to by other campers while I was there and it causes friction between people when there need not be any.

I'm not sure why people have to have them anyway??

The smallest Honda is $1400. For that you can get a couple of 150Ah batteries and 2 X 80W panels with regs and never have to pay for fuel again!!!
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
29 May 2011 12:42pm
People camp with Generators - my head must have been in the sand.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
29 May 2011 10:48am
sorry weta I thought it was funny straight up.
Next time if you can't beat them join them. Maybe adding an extra foot into the fun might sober them up
As for wind well it couldn't be any worse than it is now I have even had to resort to fishing
It would be great if gnarloo was solar powered but who will pay for it and if it's cloudy and they have no power how many will accept that.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
29 May 2011 11:20am
You're not camping if you bring your generator and the rest of your house.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
30 May 2011 7:34pm
coastflyer said...

I have used one of these and was still going strong after 4 days, running a fridge and lights. Can even be topped up with a solar charger. No noise!

http://www.australiandirect.com.au/product.php/49/105a-h-thumper-dual-battery-system---free-shipping-


The 105amphr model looks pretty good and they talk about running it down to 8 or 9 volts, I can't imagine even a glass matt battery would like that let alone my fridge.
Your looking at 35 to 50 amphrs/day up this way so considering you can't use anywhere near the 105amphr from that size battery you would be lucky to get 2 days.
little o
little o
WA
405 posts
WA, 405 posts
30 May 2011 8:22pm
I know this is no where like 3 mile (and I have stayed there and at the bluff) but
I stayed at coral bay for a night...just to say hi to a friend. I couldn't sleep because the Tv next door was blaring and everyone had a generator.

Ended up dragging myself inbetween two 4Wd's with my swag just so I could see the stars in peace.

I think it's disgusting how many people can't cope without power. We are doomed
niall barrett
niall barrett
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
30 May 2011 10:03pm
Well done G boss,

Ive got a small solar powered battery system on the caravan that is inexpensive and teamed with LEDs provides all the light you could need and also can power cameras and lap tops. Much and all as Gnaraloo is about showing kids nature it is good to keep them entertained in the caravan during peak UV hours with computer games and DVDs.

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