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45 metre kite lines on an 18 metre kite

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Created by Jhana 5 months ago, 11 May 2017
Jhana
51 posts
11 May 2017 10:43AM
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I saw a guy kiting with 45 metre kite lines on an 18 metre kite, the kite lookedtiny way up there

Is this dangerous? He did manage to loop the kite as well.

Is there any advantage of having 45 metre lines as opposed to shorter lines

What is the optimal kite line length for an 18 metre kite for light wind kiting?

Many thanks

cbulota
WA, 1080 posts
11 May 2017 12:19PM
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In the picture below you have 48m (2x 24m) Lines with a 17m Kite.

Wind was about 5-7 knots using a hydrofoil.

I tried to get going with normal 24m lines on the same kite on the same day, it wasn't possible.

It's been discussed on other threads before, longer lines give you LONGER power delivery during the power strokes, so during the water start, for example, you have the same power as normal lines but for a lot longer, which makes a huge difference in marginal winds, especially for heavier guys like me.

Once you are up and planning and generating apparent wind, line length becomes a lot less important and arguably a downside.

We could also argue that with longer lines you catch stronger winds higher up, but that's debatable.

The longer the lines the less maneuverable your kite will be and the more bending effect you will have in your lines.

Another advantage of longer lines is you have more time to correct mistakes and more room to downloop the kite should the kite stall or when you can't steer it back up cause it's too low at the edge of the window.

I'd say for general 12-15 knots light wind riding on twin tips, 27m lines are great and I wouldn't bother going over 30m.

Now for ultra low wind stuff (sub 10 knots) it's great to go above 30m lines, but by then you have a TON of light wind specific skills and you're most likely using a hydrofoil.

I currently use 35m race lines (thinner) with a 12m Kite for sub 10 knots, works a treat, no need for longer. I can get down to roughly 6-7 knots. Thin lines reduce drag and the bending effect and in my experience are true ''game changer'' in ultra low winds, i.e. you're better off getting thinner lines than lengthening normal lines.


The secret is, experiment with line length and find what works best for you! All kiters should do that really.

Christian

Adam'KiteRepair
NSW, 195 posts
11 May 2017 3:37PM
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terry mctool was telling me about Jordan a foil racer who set up 75m lines on a foil kite and got going in like 4kts or something. pretty epic effort. not for your everyday guy but if you got the time. why not try i say

cauncy
WA, 5425 posts
11 May 2017 2:01PM
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I knew a guy wo did 20 lines
he was high as

Adam'KiteRepair
NSW, 195 posts
11 May 2017 8:10PM
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cauncy said..
I knew a guy wo did 20 lines
he was high as



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cauncy said..
I knew a guy wo did 20 lines
he was high as



he was either rich or kiting in spain

lrulz
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11 May 2017 9:32PM
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Hey guys,
That was me out on the kite with 45m lines. I had an old bar at home so just used the lines off that. Bit of fun and something a little different. I also tried to make a light wind board. Still in the testing phase but coming along. Just some fun on and off the water. Lol




Ozone Kites Aus
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12 May 2017 10:07AM
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Adam'KiteRepair said..
terry mctool was telling me about Jordan a foil racer who set up 75m lines on a foil kite and got going in like 4kts or something. pretty epic effort. not for your everyday guy but if you got the time. why not try i say



There were lots of witnesses, it was at the nationals in Townsville approx 4 or 5 years ago. Pretty sure it was an Edge, possibly a 15 or 17, and he joined 3 sets of lines from memory. I've flown on very long lines before of approx 45m, but nothing like Jordans effort.
Christian is spot on too, in that its better to go thinner and not as long give a much better less "laggy" feel to the kite and of course nowhere near the hassle of trying to launch a kite with 75M lines!!

Richoa
NSW, 198 posts
12 May 2017 10:45AM
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hassle of trying to launch a kite with 75M lines!!


Ha, that's something to ponder!

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1482 posts
12 May 2017 9:00AM
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lrulz said..
Hey guys,
That was me out on the kite with 45m lines. I had an old bar at home so just used the lines off that. Bit of fun and something a little different. I also tried to make a light wind board. Still in the testing phase but coming along. Just some fun on and off the water. Lol





The Game Changer board idea of the year I love the creativity in people !

ActionSportsWA
WA, 461 posts
12 May 2017 11:26AM
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Hi Guys,

The problem with really long lines is the drag of the lines perpendicular to the wind direction. This does two things. The drag holds your kite back deeper in the wind window which gives you more power as the kite sits at a higher angle of attack at the edge of the window, however, as it sits back deeper in the window, the pull will be more downwind which means you will have to edge harder on the board to counter the more downwind pull, this board pressure creates resistance and to a great extent, mitigates the advantage of the extra power. Kite selection and line selection are pivotal in making this work or not. A big kite like the early model North Juice which pulled pretty hard downwind in the firstplace, just wouldn't work with 40m lines, the downwind pull would be unmanagable.

The second problem in the drag on the rear lines which makes your kite rather unresponsive to turning with great loops of line acting like a shock absorber on your inputs. Thinner rear lines will help but won't eliminate the problem alltogether.

Kites with extreme upwind performance like the Core XR series, Ozone Edge, North Rebel etc will be best for this kind of thing.

DM

Adam'KiteRepair
NSW, 195 posts
12 May 2017 4:26PM
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lrulz said..
Hey guys,
That was me out on the kite with 45m lines. I had an old bar at home so just used the lines off that. Bit of fun and something a little different. I also tried to make a light wind board. Still in the testing phase but coming along. Just some fun on and off the water. Lol





this is awsome. good effort mate!

stuntnaz
NSW, 540 posts
12 May 2017 6:39PM
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I use 34m lines on my 17 m kite i am 70kg's and can get going in 7 knots on a surfboard .
Definitely try longer lines in light winds it does help .

Puetz
NT, 2032 posts
12 May 2017 10:56PM
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Jhana said..
I saw a guy kiting with 45 metre kite lines on an 18 metre kite, the kite lookedtiny way up there

Is this dangerous? He did manage to loop the kite as well.

Is there any advantage of having 45 metre lines as opposed to shorter lines

What is the optimal kite line length for an 18 metre kite for light wind kiting?

Many thanks


... back in the day (circa 2006) I tried 6o m lines on my 20m North Rhino,,,,, not the most successful experiments as it kind of defeated the very thing I was trying to achieve,,,,, going upwind in super light winds. Yep, kite sat too far back so upwind sucked but on a plus side, I could loop it like no-bodies business while still kind of going upwind without it even coming close to the water.

Sometimes you gotta try these things so you can let others know,,, don't bother!!!

Robbie

ps my daily bread and butter lines on my 19m Edge is 32m,,,, peeeerfect for me,,,, just the right amount of slow and delayed with a nice constant pull but takes the likes of me to hold it in 8 to 25 knots. Love it.

Puetz
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12 May 2017 10:57PM
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I use 34m lines on my 17 m kite i am 70kg's and can get going in 7 knots on a surfboard .
Definitely try longer lines in light winds it does help .


... I agree!!!!

Ozone Kites Aus
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13 May 2017 9:34AM
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lrulz said..

Hey guys,
That was me out on the kite with 45m lines. I had an old bar at home so just used the lines off that. Bit of fun and something a little different. I also tried to make a light wind board. Still in the testing phase but coming along. Just some fun on and off the water. Lol





Long lines are one thing, but this large style of flattish rockered board makes a huge difference for light winds too. When the wind is in the 7-12 knots range, the waters surface is always quite smooth so flat rockered boards work really well. (combined with longer and thinner lines like race lines)

w8ingforwind
170 posts
13 May 2017 7:21PM
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Dose any one still have a 50 m kite in there shead?would like to see it with 18m lines just for something different ??

Robbo2099
WA, 684 posts
17 May 2017 11:26PM
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w8ingforwind said..
Dose any one still have a 50 m kite in there shead?would like to see it with 18m lines just for something different ??


I've still got the 24m inflatable C-Kite I made back in 2003 or so. (4-line) It still flies but it's so heavy that any additional lift you achieve from the huge size is overcome by the extra weight and drag. My experience is that the optimum big kite size is somewhere around 17m and anything bigger than that doesn't really accomplish much. A bigger board makes a much bigger difference in light winds than a bigger kite.

w8ingforwind
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19 May 2017 7:14PM
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Robbo2099 said..

w8ingforwind said..
Dose any one still have a 50 m kite in there shead?would like to see it with 18m lines just for something different ??



I've still got the 24m inflatable C-Kite I made back in 2003 or so. (4-line) It still flies but it's so heavy that any additional lift you achieve from the huge size is overcome by the extra weight and drag. My experience is that the optimum big kite size is somewhere around 17m and anything bigger than that doesn't really accomplish much. A bigger board makes a much bigger difference in light winds than a bigger kite.


a 24m cool dose it loop



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