5th line tangling

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addicted
addicted
WA
42 posts
WA, 42 posts
7 Feb 2005 5:17pm
Hi I have a boxer with 5th line. When relaunching from water and when i cannot quite get the furthest away tip of kite up it rolls back on itself and gets tangled. Which means back to the beach and undo lines and redo them.

I am only a hacker, just getting going on board learning stage.

Is it only me and will it get better or is it a common problem with 5th line ?

And do other 4 line kites do this ?

Thanks
Nigel
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gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
7 Feb 2005 8:10pm
Yep, know the prob. I have 14m 4 line box and love it, but that tip thing is tough to solve....pumping up the leading edge hard is good. However, I have contemplated converting mine to a 5 liner because I thought it would solve this prob. exactly. Now I wonder if I'm better off leaving things as they are.

Good luck
hirschausen
hirschausen
WA
422 posts
WA, 422 posts
8 Feb 2005 11:50am
I'm trying to visualise this so correct me if I'm wrong.....
You can get the kite to roll onto it's back by pulling the fifth line and I assume you are using the "Shift" fifth line system.

What is very important when you get the kite onto it's back by pulling the fifth line is that you then give a yank on a back steering line. Either one will work, but it's important to do that quickly to ensure the kite moves in one direction or the other so it re-launches. I'm surprised to hear that it rolls over on itself, I'm assuming the wind is getting under the leading edge and flipping it?.

Again, let me know what's happening and I'll try and help you out where I can.

I'm a convert to the fifth line system and have them tuned really well on my kites, they take a bit of tuning to make them work properly, but when you have them working, getting the kite off the water is so easy it's ridiculous. I'd like you to have that same opinion so explain what you see happening. It sounds like it happens nearly everytime?.
addicted
addicted
WA
42 posts
WA, 42 posts
8 Feb 2005 6:08pm
hirschausen
I am using the shift 5th line system and I do pull on one rear steering line pretty quickly.

One problem I see is the 5th line excess on the chicken loop side of the bar
I'm not sure if I should try and get that excess fed through before i try and relaunch? cause if I do get the kite up that excess slides through pretty fast and sometimes gets wrapped around something, like meor the bar

Sometimes when trying to relaunch the kite, the side of the kite that is closest to me is higher in the air than the otherside. The other side is the side that I want to catch the wind and should be higher. The kite does this seesawing affect when I pull on the closest sides steering line. Then sometimes the kite falls over backwards starting with the side furtherast away first and that is when it gets tangled

hope you can understand this, Thanks

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azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
8 Feb 2005 8:39pm
g'day,

i'm not using that specific setup... but it can't be too different... correct me if i'm wrong.

if the kite is rolling over when you don't want it to, after using the 5th, it's because there is no 5th tension.

keep hold of the 5th and feed it out as the kite walks/slides to the edge of the window... when the kite is getting vertical (LE) you should have about 6 inches to a foot of tension left; this is handy to depower the kite and prevent/control a HOT launch. release all 5th tension when you're sure you have control of the kite.

hope this helps,
AzzA

hirschausen
hirschausen
WA
422 posts
WA, 422 posts
9 Feb 2005 12:41pm
As AZZA has stated it's very important that after you have pulled the fifth line in to pull the LE forward that you control the fifth line feed. This means that you must feed out the fifth line back through the chicken loop hole to prevent hot launches and tangles.

It's practice that helps with this and it sounds as though you might have a bit of slack in fifth line. Is it still bungee tensioned? Or is it now loose and flapping around?. The fifth line needs a pretty exact amount of tension on it for it to work smoothly.

When your kite is on it's back and "see-saws" as you described, It does sound like the fifth line could be too loose and the steering lines are coming into play.

With the kite at zenith (12'oclock) check that the fifth line is not sagging. If it is land the kite and shorten it up at the kite end. Failing that, take it back to the shop you got it from and ask for advice, or contact Naish directly in Sydney for advice.

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