A line knot

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deanrobi
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20 Feb 2013 9:38pm
So whats the theory on a line that has a knot, do you leave it there and have a supposedly weak spot or do you work it out and possibly damage the line in doing so?
cauncy
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20 Feb 2013 6:46pm
It's meant to weaken the line by half , bet your mate a beer that he carn,t get the knot out, failing that I use a bit of silicone spray and 2 needles reversed, bring one through one side and one through the other side then twist them in the opposite directions from each other, a pair of pliers helps you to push the needles through
stamp
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20 Feb 2013 8:55pm
agree with cauncy, but also whack the line in your gob and gently chew the knot for a minute or so. it sounds stupid but it will help to loosen it
bumstein
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20 Feb 2013 7:04pm
mastication works a treat... That's right!! Chewing....

Sit and work a lovely salivatory slather into the lines, be patient.. Watch a ****ty sitcom with the good lady (I dont know why, but crappy girl teev seems to work better.. The universe is funny sometimes) and chew your lines gently.. By the time you lose the will to live, or resort to cutting yourself because the show is so mind numbingly abysmal, your knot will loosen and you'll be able to free the demon and feel like a freaking god who slay the evil "line devil" in the course of pursuing justice for all kitesurfers and correcting all thats wrong with the world...

Post a pic of your face when you do, it gives hope to the masses that we can one day be proud of our own beings as you currently are!!

Good luck!!!
THE DONG
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20 Feb 2013 10:09pm
i had a knott in my line for 2 years in my old kite instead of trying to tamper with it and no probs.... doesnt mean its the right thing to do.. just saying..
THE DONG
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20 Feb 2013 10:11pm
having said that i had a rebel so had 4 spare lines anyway
stuntnaz
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20 Feb 2013 10:15pm
Use a hammer on a hard flat surface and slowly tap the knot on one side then turn on it's side and tap again keep doing this for a while the knot becomes soft and then you can undo it with your finger nails quite easy. And no damage to the line .
Lambie
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20 Feb 2013 9:33pm
Had a mate that used the 'chew method' - must have had a few too many beers around the same time - ate through the knot ....

That said I found a knot in my line one day and 'carefully' chewed at the knot with the aim of loosing it - and to my surprise I got it out with no line damage !

I havent tried the silicon and two needle approach - but I like the idea better than the sucking and chewing approach!!
kiter77
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20 Feb 2013 10:34pm
Or you can simply tie a knot in all the other lines then they will all have the same breaking strain......
Addikt
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20 Feb 2013 8:19pm
The lines are braided so you just need to apply a little pressure in the right areas of the knot and it will loosen easily.

The chewing method is very effective....
mcbain
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20 Feb 2013 10:23pm
I've used the chew method as well
Mark _australia
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20 Feb 2013 10:29pm
bumstein said...
Chewing....

Sit and work a lovely salivatory slather into the lines, be patient.. Watch a ****ty sitcom with the good lady (I dont know why, but crappy girl teev seems to work better.. The universe is funny sometimes) and chew your lines gently.. Good luck!!!


Only ever tried to chew my arm off to get the hell away when waking up after a big nite.

Funny how these skills also apply to other stuff...
samoht
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21 Feb 2013 1:53am
Soak the line, and lay the knot on a smooth surface, use an empty stubby, (a hammer is too abrasive on the line) to tap it lightly on both sides until it softens, and then pick it undone.
Once taken out you won't or shouldn't see any damage to the line. I never have.
I use a stubby cos you have to empty it first.
bumstein
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21 Feb 2013 8:04am
Mark _australia said...

Only ever tried to chew my arm off to get the hell away when waking up after a big nite.

Funny how these skills also apply to other stuff...


Yes you have a point... However you didn't have to sit there watching girly stupid shows to chew an arm off did you!?
Mark _australia
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21 Feb 2013 8:21am
^^^ no, watching girlie shows is a result of NOT getting away lol
deanrobi
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23 Feb 2013 11:53pm
all fixed thanks
bumstein
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23 Feb 2013 11:41pm
Mark _australia said...
^^^ no, watching girlie shows is a result of NOT getting away lol


Touché chew harder to begin with then!?
bumstein
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23 Feb 2013 11:41pm
deanrobi said...
all fixed thanks



So what was the method that proves most effective for you?
BaysideJoin
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24 Feb 2013 1:28pm
Had a knot in my line for 6 months, after reading about chewing line, tried it and had it out in 10 minutes.
G Kailua
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24 Feb 2013 5:39pm
Whilst chewing is OK, best get a blunt pointed screwdriver. Not sharp enough to damage the thread in the lines but enough to loosen and free the knot. A few bucks from Bunnings, keep in the bag.
deanrobi
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24 Feb 2013 6:12pm
bumstein said...
deanrobi said...
all fixed thanks



So what was the method that proves most effective for you?

ended up dropping into the local kite shop on another matter and the boys fixed it for me, lent me a bar and lines for the days kite and next day it was all ready to go. luv'in your work RPS and Matty
TurtleHunter
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25 Feb 2013 2:32pm
funny I just got back from down south where I found a mate who is learning had a knot in his lines. Turns out one of the experienced kiters put it there to even out his lines (front lines no less)
Craig66
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25 Feb 2013 10:16pm
TurtleHunter said...
funny I just got back from down south where I found a mate who is learning had a knot in his lines. Turns out one of the experienced kiters put it there to even out his lines (front lines no less)


Interesting..... how much does one knot shorten a front line??????




0.0005mm?
TurtleHunter
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25 Feb 2013 8:27pm
Craig66 said...
TurtleHunter said...
funny I just got back from down south where I found a mate who is learning had a knot in his lines. Turns out one of the experienced kiters put it there to even out his lines (front lines no less)


Interesting..... how much does one knot shorten a front line??????




0.0005mm?


don't know but I would guess about 4 x diameter which would be enough to make a difference I suppose.
He is South Australian though
AquaPlow
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25 Feb 2013 10:46pm
Craig66 said...
TurtleHunter said...
funny I just got back from down south where I found a mate who is learning had a knot in his lines. Turns out one of the experienced kiters put it there to even out his lines (front lines no less)


Interesting..... how much does one knot shorten a front line??????




0.0005mm?


knot a lot more than a back line - I s'pose
Gateman
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25 Feb 2013 11:13pm
My kite was regularly drifting off to one side and when I checked, one of the front lines was about 2cm longer than the other one. A single overhand knot in the stitched section sorted this out till I could get a new set of lines.
Would not recommend a knot in the thin braided lines though. Does reduce strength by about half and wouldn't shorten the line by much.
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