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Bigwavedave
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26 Nov 2010 10:32am
This news seems to be slipping by without any comment.

Besides Andy winning PKRA I think this is the biggest news issue in Australian kiting this year.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Australian-Kitesurfing-Association-AKSA/INSURANCE-INCREASE-join-now/


Me will be renewing before Dec 31 for sure.

Trant
Trant
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26 Nov 2010 2:35pm
I'm more interested in learning about the accidents that led to the increase in fees.

Considering kiters don't seem to be able to fart without a post being put on on here, I'm surprised I know nothing about them. Or did I miss some posts?
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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26 Nov 2010 1:49pm
Believe it or not there's not that many kiters that post here.

It's probably not in the interests of the sport to publicise accidents anyway. Some people who read this forum aren't here because they like the sport.
waveslave
waveslave
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26 Nov 2010 12:23pm
After 31 Dec 2010, the new subscription fee will be $650.
jev7337
jev7337
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26 Nov 2010 3:03pm
That would cost less to insure a boat. It's good that there are alternatives.
suface2air
suface2air
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26 Nov 2010 3:14pm
If it goes to that price watch how many will renew next year . Can one get his own insurence (public liabilty cover) and with a little joining fee get aksa membership so you could still be alowed to play in comp stuff .
paulio
paulio
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26 Nov 2010 5:28pm
waveslave said...

After 31 Dec 2010, the new subscription fee will be $650.


Not unless there is another 6 claims, hope not!

Truth is the figure needed to pay the insurance prem is based on amount of members X $65, this means that our main objective this year is to provide insurance, and there's proof that we need it!. Some of the increase after Jan 1st will be given back to your local KSA.

Hope this helps

Dave, I agree, join earlier than later
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
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26 Nov 2010 6:02pm
waveslave said...

After 31 Dec 2010, the new subscription fee will be $650.


Did I just hear someone fart ?
Has there ever been anyone that gets the story so completely wrong so often.
100% increase on $65 = $130
200% increase on $65 = $195
But Hey - the date is right.
You will be paying from $130 to $200 for a 12 month subscription to AKSA and your state KSA from 1/1/2011.
But at least it is for a full 12 mths.
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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26 Nov 2010 8:03pm
waveslave said...

After 31 Dec 2010, the new subscription fee will be $650.


Did you not read it?

100% or 200% increase on the annual fee.

Double $65 is $130 = 100% increase.

The premium went up tenfold but that was only a small part of the annual fee.

Say it was $6.50 the insurance part of the fee is now increase is $65 (actual cost this year was 6.71 per member according to AKSA membership report.)

Believe it or not the tags that everyone hold so dear cost 25% as much as the insurance!!
puppetonastring
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WA
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26 Nov 2010 6:09pm
suface2air said...

If it goes to that price watch how many will renew next year . Can one get his own insurence (public liabilty cover) and with a little joining fee get aksa membership so you could still be alowed to play in comp stuff .


Ask again when you can get equivalent cover (up to $20M ; 24/7 ; kiter to kiter etc).
I dont think so.
How much does it cost to join your local 'any-other' club. One local club I enquired at charges $385 for a social membership. All that gives you is permission to go there and spend money over the bar. Maybe able to have a shower too?

And how do you get on if next year you are the one facing a $2000000 claim all on your lonesome. If you work 2 jobs & never buy a house you may get it paid off before you die.
kyteryder
kyteryder
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26 Nov 2010 9:28pm
puppetonastring said...

waveslave said...

After 31 Dec 2010, the new subscription fee will be $650.


Did I just hear someone fart ?
Has there ever been anyone that gets the story so completely wrong so often.
100% increase on $65 = $130
200% increase on $65 = $195
But Hey - the date is right.
You will be paying from $130 to $200 for a 12 month subscription to AKSA and your state KSA from 1/1/2011.
But at least it is for a full 12 mths.


Puppet. AKSA mentioned it would be a 100% to 200% additional on the premium and not the membership cost. Seeing the states KSA receive almost half of the membership money to assist in running the state branches and a proportion of the money is retained by AKSA to run the national branch, then only a small proportion of the fee ($6 if I can remember from previous posts raised a few years ago). Will be affected by the increase in costs. But I stand to be corrected.

KR
suface2air
suface2air
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26 Nov 2010 8:31pm
Puppet thanks for clearing my question i all ready pay for public lilablety with my work it has 20 mil and was just wondering .
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
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26 Nov 2010 9:38pm
suface2air said...

Puppet thanks for clearing my question i all ready pay for public lilablety with my work it has 20 mil and was just wondering .


Correct. 20 million is the standard cover, across all industries. 20 million is only covering registered events and not the recreational kiter. Standard coverage is only 10 million. I have requested AKSA to increase standard coverage to 20 million for all kiters. This hasn't occurred as of yet. Hopefully this change is coming shortly.

KR
Weta
Weta
WA
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26 Nov 2010 8:21pm
My 2 cents

An issue raised in the past & one i think should be on AKSA's agenda if fees are to be increased is at least the option to have personal injury & death cover included as part of your membership.

To WAKSA we need clubrooms; there's a nice piece of vacant land next to the Swannie surf club but reallly it should be up by Brighton the bar would do a roaring trade from kiters finishing a down winder
roachy
roachy
NSW
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27 Nov 2010 3:26am
I find them uncontactable in qld, tags ?,last year didnt get one. Half pie organisation , we are trying to get a club formed on sunny coast, tryed main body and state, nothing ! trying to find out if you insure through a club do they give some of that money back to your club from the state association .
picker
picker
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27 Nov 2010 5:03am

Skate Australia is the National Sporting Organisation (NSO) recognized by the Federal Governments, Australian Sports Commission (ASC) as the peak body administering the growth and development of six individual skating sports within Australia.
The ASC is the Australian Government agency that supports and invests in sport at all levels in Australia. The ASC works closely with NSO's to develop sport from community participation to high performance level.

The ASC supports a wide range of programs designed to develop sporting excellence and increase participation and achievement by all Australians. The notion of both social and elite pathways for athletes, coaches, officials and administrators lies at the heart of a sport's effective planning processes.

The ASC directs it's funding and services to ensure these pathways are in place and are effective in delivering increased participation and continued international sporting success.

For the financial year 2009-2010 Skate Australia will receive $186,000 in funding from the ASC of which $100,000 is specifically allocated for the development of skateboarding.

The ASC offers two types of funding to NSO's

Sports Grants - which support the high performance and/or sport development activities of the organization, as indicated in the organisation's strategic and operational plans
Specific ASC Program Grants - which relate to specific projects and initiatives aimed at developing specific priorities including coaching, officiating, talent identification, indigenous sport, sport for people with disability and sport for women.
Funding allocations are reviewed annually in light of the organisation's performance against objectives and performance measures listed in the organisation's annual operational plan, as well as compliance with the ASC requirements.

The Australian Sport Commission's focus is sport, not recreation or sub cultures or pastimes. The ASC only supports that component of the activity that is "sport" and can be developed.



The ASC do not fund individuals, corporations, major events or facilities, but support NSO programs that they believe have the capacity to achieve the outcomes that benefit the Australian sporting system.



There is no doubt over time and as resources become available Skateboarding Australia will continue to increase outcomes for the entire skateboarding community.

Links from the ASC-

ASC Recognition

http://www.ausport.gov.au/supporting/funding/asc_recognition

Funded NSO'S & Amounts

www.ausport.gov.au/supporting/funding/national_sporting_organisations
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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27 Nov 2010 6:34am
picker said...

Has anyone here ever made a claim? Easy process??

So IF I sign up now what do I get?


Pretty sure that there would be a confidentiality agreement once a claim is initiated. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If you sign up now you get PL Insurance and become a member of your state association or local club.

roachy
roachy
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27 Nov 2010 9:48am
Picker what did that have to do with insurance?
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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27 Nov 2010 11:34am
green menace said...

Picker what did that have to do with insurance?


I was wondering the same thing!!

picker
picker
VIC
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27 Nov 2010 12:39pm
Sorry nothing to do with insurance but funding available for our sport. Asc are very supportive and have a large budget that maybe able to help somewhere someday.
tatkins
tatkins
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27 Nov 2010 12:09pm
kyteryder said...

puppetonastring said...

waveslave said...

After 31 Dec 2010, the new subscription fee will be $650.


Did I just hear someone fart ?
Has there ever been anyone that gets the story so completely wrong so often.
100% increase on $65 = $130
200% increase on $65 = $195
But Hey - the date is right.
You will be paying from $130 to $200 for a 12 month subscription to AKSA and your state KSA from 1/1/2011.
But at least it is for a full 12 mths.


Puppet. AKSA mentioned it would be a 100% to 200% additional on the premium and not the membership cost. Seeing the states KSA receive almost half of the membership money to assist in running the state branches and a proportion of the money is retained by AKSA to run the national branch, then only a small proportion of the fee ($6 if I can remember from previous posts raised a few years ago). Will be affected by the increase in costs. But I stand to be corrected.

KR


Ten fold on $6 is $6144
6+6=12
12+12=24
24+24=48
48+48=96
96+96=192
192+192=384
384+384=768
768+768=1536
1536+1536=3072
3072+3072=6144

Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
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27 Nov 2010 12:51pm

Ten fold on $6 is $6144
6+6=12
12+12=24
24+24=48
48+48=96
96+96=192
192+192=384
384+384=768
768+768=1536
1536+1536=3072
3072+3072=6144




Where did you go to school?

ten·fold
[adj. ten-fohld; adv. ten-fohld] –adjective
1.
comprising ten parts or members.
2.
ten times as great or as much.
–adverb
3.
in tenfold measure: good deeds rewarded tenfold.
Origin:
1150–1200; ME; OE tienfeald.

If you invest $10 and it inceases tenfold, you have $100
waveslave
waveslave
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27 Nov 2010 11:13am
puppetonastring said...

waveslave said...

After 31 Dec 2010, the new subscription fee will be $650.


Did I just hear someone fart ?



Something stinks. ^^^
As usual, WAKSA/AKSA are attempting to use fear as a means to boost numbers this year.
JOIN NOW or you will cop a 200% price hike on 1 Jan 2011 ...
that's their pet threat.
lol.
It's an odd strategy to encourage new membership.
A free t-shirt would have been a more sweeter carrot.

RayQ
RayQ
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27 Nov 2010 12:41pm
The only thing that stinks is your rotting brain, Wave slave
waveslave
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27 Nov 2010 5:09pm
Ray,
Personal attacks on me won't further your cause. ^^^
In what is essentially a WAKSA pimp-thread, abusing forum-members only makes the association look more try-hard and desperate.

Carry on.
Juddy
Juddy
WA
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27 Nov 2010 5:59pm
Ray

who's the try hard and desperate on this forum?

It seems to me that WS is desperate in his attempts to mislead and confuse readers. Desperate in his attempts to further his oh so boring and repetitive anti Association diatribe.

For once WS, I agree. WAKSA is somewhat "desperate". Desperate to try and bring new and better events to our members (this new thing called the Wedge Wave Comp we did a couple of weeks back; getting the inaugural Lighthouse to Leighton event up & running to cite just a couple.) Pehaps the 300 or so crew who come up to Kitestock each year don't like what WAKSA does either?

We have over 400 members already this year - perhaps those 400 members have recognised that WAKSA has been trying hard to do new things - and
those members recognise the work that has been, and will continue to be done by the Association to improve the sport and it's profile in WA. Perhaps those 400 recognise the importance of something more than just events also - or perhaps they too are tired or bored of his message?

As for his latest rant that fees will be $650, he indicates that once again, for some one who doesn't like WAKSA, he shows all too much interest in what the Association does. For someone who has no knowledge of what's going on at a state or national level, it's a somewhat confused and desperate message don't you think?
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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27 Nov 2010 8:54pm
and yet again Waveslave hijacks a thread and it corkscrews into oblivion.


waveslave
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27 Nov 2010 7:16pm
Juddy said...

Ray

who's the try hard and desperate on this forum?

It seems to me that WS is desperate in his attempts to mislead and confuse readers. Desperate in his attempts to further his oh so boring and repetitive anti Association diatribe.

For once WS, I agree. WAKSA is somewhat "desperate". Desperate to try and bring new and better events to our members (this new thing called the Wedge Wave Comp we did a couple of weeks back; getting the inaugural Lighthouse to Leighton event up & running to cite just a couple.) Pehaps the 300 or so crew who come up to Kitestock each year don't like what WAKSA does either?

We have over 400 members already this year - perhaps those 400 members have recognised that WAKSA has been trying hard to do new things - and
those members recognise the work that has been, and will continue to be done by the Association to improve the sport and it's profile in WA. Perhaps those 400 recognise the importance of something more than just events also - or perhaps they too are tired or bored of his message?

As for his latest rant that fees will be $650, he indicates that once again, for some one who doesn't like WAKSA, he shows all too much interest in what the Association does. For someone who has no knowledge of what's going on at a state or national level, it's a somewhat confused and desperate message don't you think?


lol. ^^^
Ray,

I don't hate WAKSA.
Juddy says I do but I really don't.
He's wrong.
Seriously, I actually care about WAKSA.
That's why I take such an interest in it.
And sometimes I even try to make some suggestions. (but they are usually ignored)
lol.
Do you want to hear some suggestions of mine ?

But I don't like the stupid pimping much.

Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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27 Nov 2010 9:23pm
If you care, why make such irrational statements??

Be grown up and be constructive.
waveslave
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27 Nov 2010 7:27pm
I'm sorry Dave ...^^^
but I'm talking to Ray only.
Juddy
Juddy
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27 Nov 2010 7:47pm
I've always taken the view that if you want to accomplish something from within, it's best to be inside the tent so to speak.

With you history of negative comments, you now claim to care about WAKSA? If you care so much, please do us a favour...stop it now before you go blind.
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