Accident at quinns

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etoh
etoh
WA
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WA, 16 posts
19 Nov 2012 5:24pm
Hi there does anyone know how that guy got lofted into the dunes at quinns at 1500 yesterday?

Reports suggest he was warned about the size of the kite he was planning to pump up by other kiters.

I hear he has open fractures to both lower legs or ankles.
the walks
the walks
WA
448 posts
WA, 448 posts
19 Nov 2012 6:29pm
carefull i had an awesome session on a 9 vegas yesterday, 80kg's
HBBear
HBBear
56 posts
56 posts
19 Nov 2012 6:44pm
the walks said...
carefull i had an awesome session on a 9 vegas yesterday, 80kg's


careful, ppl might start to think you know how to kite....
buzingfridge
buzingfridge
WA
147 posts
WA, 147 posts
19 Nov 2012 8:05pm
Guys, can we be careful with the comments please, his name is Shane and I last heard today he is in a stable condition at royal Perth hospital. He suffered 2 broken ankles and face lacerations. I am unsure of any other injuries. Namely back and spine.

Keeping it respectfully brief, my facts as I saw it unfold
I have only met Shane on 2 other accasions

I was 1 of 3 first on scene.
11m 2010 nomad
Yes obviously overpowered
He came in and landed as I was heading out on a 7m
I viewed his kite roll down the beach thinking it was a run away
His kite then relaunched into a sw direction 45 deg angle full power
I came in and was landed by another kiter.
Other kiter called ambo's
I went to Shane
Farkkkkkkkkk
Intensly farked feet x2
Both ankles broken facing unnatural positions and face lacerations.
Myself and 2 others stablized him without moving him.
I held back the vomit and sickness in my chest.
Waited 20mins for ambos
They arrived and more local kiters arrived. 6 total
Ambos stableized him over a 90min period
We all loaded and carried him out of the dunes

Let's not harp on the obvious please guys
The good is he is ok now,
All they guys on the beach helped!!! For a horrific accident, every one helped and did what they could!! Excellent effort not once did anyone panic, trust me Shane's injuries would have freaked out some.
Big thanks to the 2 ambo drivers, you put my mind at ease once you arrived, big thanks to Mark and the tall south African !!

Best wishes Shane get well soon.
Seabreeze Let's leave the debate for another day
ste
ste
WA
524 posts
ste ste
WA, 524 posts
19 Nov 2012 8:13pm
All the best to you mate,hope for a speedy recovery.
Munga
Munga
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
19 Nov 2012 8:14pm
Guys his name is Shane, your typical learner with (unfortunately) kite blindness. I was not there, mates were. Sounded horrific, flung badly down the beach then apparently very high in the air. Two broken ankles, a black eye and damaged spinal cord. His sister just picked up his car, he is OK and can wiggle his toes. He's in Royal Perth trauma ward if you want to send wishes. Looks like he'll be in for 5 weeks. If you are reading this Shane, best of luck man.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
19 Nov 2012 8:18pm
Farq that sounds horrific. Damn. I would say speedy recovery but it won't be. Just the rehab will take months.

Damn, I thought that wind has some bloody power in it. Was reading 19 to 24, 26 in gusts but it felt powered by more than a sea breeze, I'm no weather man but something was filling that wind in big time.

Well done mate on explaining this and your contribution on keeping stabilised.

Yes gear is much safer, but this sport can still maim, injure or kill. Take it easy out there.
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
19 Nov 2012 9:50pm
Sorry to hear.

I know one Shane, quite tall guy. Hope is not him. Best wishes, recover well.

Yesterday on Pelican Point one learner had a board leash. The leash is really not needed on this spot, if anywhere.

At the same time a few guys grabbed and delivered lost boards
to the struggling kiters on a high winds, no probs.

Be safe.
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
19 Nov 2012 10:15pm
Poor guy, horrible accident. Hopefully we can get some lessons learnt somewhen in th future.
I was up at horrocks yesterday, 450ks north of Perth and it was a weird wind. Up and down and not really like a proper sea breeze. More like a front or a Melville inland wind.

Mind you Melville today was pretty up and down too, the dudes on race boards and 17's were having a ball though.

Hope Shane does not have any long term injuries
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
20 Nov 2012 7:43am
Horrible accident.

Onya fellas for helping out and holding it together during a nasty scene.

Best of luck to Shane for the recovery.

the walks
the walks
WA
448 posts
WA, 448 posts
20 Nov 2012 6:58am
the walks said...
carefull i had an awesome session on a 9 vegas yesterday, 80kg's


just for the record, i made this comment based on a now deleted quote by "iti" that said no-one should have been out on sunday on anything bigger than a 7m,
i wish shane a speedy recovery and hope he may one day be back out enjoying what this wonderfull sport has to offer.
pilotpete
pilotpete
WA
147 posts
WA, 147 posts
20 Nov 2012 7:22am
I was just one of the guys helping the ambos with Shane and it was an ugly scene. I helped stabilise his feet with the ambo, I have a strong stomach but the those images will stay with me for a long time. Shane's a strong dude and did very well given the pain he must have been in.
Its a great relief to hear his doing well after the opp's and I wish him a speedy recovery. These accidents should remind us all that we should take care out there and watch out for others that may be learning and help keep our sport as safe as possible.
All the best Shane.
Nickb
Nickb
WA
43 posts
WA, 43 posts
20 Nov 2012 10:17am
I'm so relieved that Shane is going to be ok - as the wife of a newey obsessive and passionate kite surfer – I always worry about accidents like this – Massive thanks to all you wonderful guys in helping shane out – Yes I will continue to pray for him and his family – Take it easy Shane – Recover well Nicola Burton
deejay8204
deejay8204
QLD
557 posts
QLD, 557 posts
21 Nov 2012 8:18pm
Good on ya guys, takes a strong stomach for that. Not pointing fingers but.... Do shops explain what winds are best suited for what size sails? I'm not a kite surfer myself but hope to give it a try one day, and would really like them to explain that to me when ever I get around to purchasing my first kite.

Just asking what size kites suit what winds?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23704 posts
WA, 23704 posts
21 Nov 2012 6:32pm
with talk of bans here there and everywhere, I thought you blokes might be a bit wary of a 'question' like this posted by a bloke calling himself etoh (short for ethanol, usually the shorthand used by doctors and nurses when they are referring to p!ssed idiots) and it is his first post.

Fishing for info ....?



Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
21 Nov 2012 6:42pm
Mark _australia said...
with talk of bans here there and everywhere, I thought you blokes might be a bit wary of a 'question' like this posted by a bloke calling himself etoh (short for ethanol, usually the shorthand used by doctors and nurses when they are referring to p!ssed idiots) and it is his first post.

Fishing for info ....?






Shrewd Bastard!
dafunk
dafunk
QLD
561 posts
QLD, 561 posts
21 Nov 2012 9:38pm
great work to all those at the scene .
speedy recovery to 'shane'
bad **** happens .
stuntnaz
stuntnaz
NSW
540 posts
NSW, 540 posts
21 Nov 2012 10:45pm
Mark _australia said...
with talk of bans here there and everywhere, I thought you blokes might be a bit wary of a 'question' like this posted by a bloke calling himself etoh (short for ethanol, usually the shorthand used by doctors and nurses when they are referring to p!ssed idiots) and it is his first post.

Fishing for info ....?






Good point
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23704 posts
WA, 23704 posts
21 Nov 2012 8:03pm
Yah, but us old grumpy ****s in the windsurf forum don't trust anyone til they have 6000 posts.
Oops hang on, there was a couple of Lotofwind words in that....




Weta
Weta
WA
893 posts
WA, 893 posts
21 Nov 2012 8:51pm
Conspiracy theory hmmm i like your angle Mark............nothing like setting the cat amongst the pigeons
etoh
etoh
WA
16 posts
WA, 16 posts
21 Nov 2012 10:32pm
Nothing quite as exciting as a conspiracy theory I'm afraid. Fair point you make Mark tho.

I'm new to kiting and really enjoying it (hence my first post).

I guess I was wondering (perhaps a little naively) what chain of events could come together to cause such an accident, or could this occur purely as a result of incorrect choice in size/type of kite. And inturn how to avoid this happening to me.

I with everyone else in wishing Shane a speedy recovery.
kwalkington
kwalkington
WA
87 posts
WA, 87 posts
21 Nov 2012 11:08pm
sometimes the good auto relaunch can cause drama
Number
Number
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
21 Nov 2012 11:53pm
etoh said...I guess I was wondering (perhaps a little naively) what chain of events could come together to cause such an accident, or could this occur purely as a result of incorrect choice in size/type of kite. And inturn how to avoid this happening to me.


1. If you got the biggest kite at the beach, don't go out.
2. Make sure that u know the safety system by heart
3. Don't mess around at the beach, launch and get out on the water, land as soon as you coming in.
4. If you ignore point 3, don't keep the kite at 12 while standing at the beach.

Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
22 Nov 2012 10:07am
ouch. sounds like a horrific accident.

so what kite size was this guy flying and what was the wind?
Akwa
Akwa
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
22 Nov 2012 1:04pm
Holy Crap that sounds terrible.

Hope Shane will recover quickly and without any complications.
It just brings you back to reality again.. Makes me wonder if I should maybe just do another self rescue, train my self launch and landing and check my safety system again.

Best of luck Shane!
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
22 Nov 2012 1:19pm
Number said...
etoh said...I guess I was wondering (perhaps a little naively) what chain of events could come together to cause such an accident, or could this occur purely as a result of incorrect choice in size/type of kite. And inturn how to avoid this happening to me.


1. If you got the biggest kite at the beach, don't go out.
2. Make sure that u know the safety system by heart
3. Don't mess around at the beach, launch and get out on the water, land as soon as you coming in.
4. If you ignore point 3, don't keep the kite at 12 while standing at the beach.




I dont kite so Im just wondering why you wouldnt keep the kite at 12, are they not stable there?

The other three points make perfect sence.

Btw all the best Shane, my mate broke both ankles skydiving and its not a quick recovery unfortunately
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
22 Nov 2012 1:41pm
doggie said...
Number said...
etoh said...I guess I was wondering (perhaps a little naively) what chain of events could come together to cause such an accident, or could this occur purely as a result of incorrect choice in size/type of kite. And inturn how to avoid this happening to me.


1. If you got the biggest kite at the beach, don't go out.
2. Make sure that u know the safety system by heart
3. Don't mess around at the beach, launch and get out on the water, land as soon as you coming in.
4. If you ignore point 3, don't keep the kite at 12 while standing at the beach.




I dont kite so Im just wondering why you wouldnt keep the kite at 12, are they not stable there?

The other three points make perfect sence.

Btw all the best Shane, my mate broke both ankles skydiving and its not a quick recovery unfortunately


if a big gust comes with the kite at the zenith (12) up you go. thats how loftings happen. if you have the kite at the edge if the window you get dragged sideways abit but not up.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
22 Nov 2012 2:05pm
With the 'old' kites if you left them at 12 they would fly overhead, then hindenburg only to become powered just before they hit the ground, and with little or crappy safety you had to take the hit. Hence we learnt to keep kites to the side, where you can use your body weight to fly the kite to the edge of the window to depower.

doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
22 Nov 2012 2:29pm
Plummet said...
doggie said...
Number said...
etoh said...I guess I was wondering (perhaps a little naively) what chain of events could come together to cause such an accident, or could this occur purely as a result of incorrect choice in size/type of kite. And inturn how to avoid this happening to me.


1. If you got the biggest kite at the beach, don't go out.
2. Make sure that u know the safety system by heart
3. Don't mess around at the beach, launch and get out on the water, land as soon as you coming in.
4. If you ignore point 3, don't keep the kite at 12 while standing at the beach.




I dont kite so Im just wondering why you wouldnt keep the kite at 12, are they not stable there?

The other three points make perfect sence.

Btw all the best Shane, my mate broke both ankles skydiving and its not a quick recovery unfortunately


if a big gust comes with the kite at the zenith (12) up you go. thats how loftings happen. if you have the kite at the edge if the window you get dragged sideways abit but not up.


Fair enough, thanks for that plummet. I used to fly stunt kites a bit 15 or so years ago and we used to leave them at 12 all the time but they were much smaller, had plenty of power tho.

Cheers
JonesySail
JonesySail
QLD
1125 posts
QLD, 1125 posts
22 Nov 2012 5:42pm
What a horror story, every kiters worst nightmare, best wishes on the recovery Shane.
Only convinces me more that I have my water weapons sorted correctly, no wind SUP, light to moderate wind Kite, and when it's really windy or gusty shifting or stormy winds Windsurf.

I get the best of all three sports with less risk!
No issues launching landing a windsurfer on your own. And no chance of storm thermals.
I've read stories of WA self launch/ lands in 'claims of 30knots' nothing short of stupidity IMO, if it 'really' is 30 knots, especially with the kites so good at relaunching themselves these days.
The safety systems are good but certainly not perfect and in strong winds anythings possible.

Landing is always the bugger part of the sport, have been doing it since 2001 has always been the bugger part and always will be, back in the day 'everyone' was always keen on helping each other land, these days seems like there are nearly as many just as keen to ignore the landing... Not suggesting that happened here but it's a heap safer sport when someone helps you land...it's almost like the rest of it so easy and safe and the only suspect part is the landing...
Good luck Shane and get back on the water when you can...
kwalkington
kwalkington
WA
87 posts
WA, 87 posts
22 Nov 2012 4:00pm
well its prob a good lesson for all to have their hand on the QR until yr unhooked or kite has some sand on it.
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