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samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

8 Jan 2006 8:34pm

Hey all, iv got an 06 airush flow, the kite overall is excellent and defiatly worth the money! Buuuttttt...... Unless you pump it up like a mofo as in, it makes that *boooonnnnggggg* sound when you put it on the beach, it closes up when going at high speeds or turning quickly, as in the two wingtips fold and meet eachother in the middle, this causes instant loss of power and control and the kite crashes, iv just posted this to help anyone who's having the same problem, it also happens with the reactors. Iv been told a 5th line would help, but cant really be bothered, so in conclusion, With the Airush 06 Flows and Reactors, make sure you pump it up to around 6.5 PSI.
I hope iv helped someone coz i know it was annoying when it first happened to me.

Cheers.

kiterpilot

249 posts

kiterpilot

WA, 249 posts

8 Jan 2006 8:46pm

5th lines will stop this... just do it !

The reason it's doing it is the leading edge does not have the torsional strength in it to hold that much pressure. 5th lines eleviate this problem and will enhance your kites performance.

regards

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

8 Jan 2006 9:27pm

Any tips on setting up a 5th line? pictures would be great coz im not really up to speed with the lingo.
Thanks for any help.

assmaster

224 posts

assmaster

WA, 224 posts

8 Jan 2006 9:28pm

shouldnt have to use it with 5 lines tho when its a four line kite, just sounds like bad design to me

kiterpilot

249 posts

kiterpilot

WA, 249 posts

8 Jan 2006 9:41pm

It's not a bad design at all... it's just high performance kites these days are pushing the limits of there designs...

Ben Severne could have designed the kite to behave a certain way at a certain pressure in the bladder. Every rider is different and pumps his/her kite up to what they think is safe enough for them...

It may be true if you pump it up to 6.5 psi it will not fold, but those who inflate to 6.0 may experience fold ?

Placing a 5th line on it will fix the problem on the spot !

Samio, all 5th's set up almost alike, however i'd purchase one for you kite from airbourne if thats where you got the kite. Just take it in and ask them to walk you through the set up...

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

8 Jan 2006 10:04pm

"shouldnt have to use it with 5 lines tho when its a four line kite, just sounds like bad design to me"

Its definatly not a bad design, it flys like a dream, it does have a 5th line attachment point so ill talk to some people and get one specific for my kite. Has anyone else experienced this problem? i know that i fly my kite fast but sometimes even when im starting it would fold and drop. One thing iv noticed with this kite though is the massive wind range, iv flown it in 13 to 25 knots, for a 14 kite thats pretty impressive! (mind you at 25 knots i was busting my gut to hold a decent edge....

hirschausen

422 posts

hirschausen

WA, 422 posts

8 Jan 2006 10:16pm

I have a full quiver of airush reactors and a flow.
Not once, I repeat not once have I had one of them fold on me. I was even kiting today in super gusty conditions on a 6m flow and it was steady as a rock.

My suggestion is to take your kite back to wherever you got it from and ask them to tune it correctly for you. If that doesn't work it's probably a faulty kite and the retailer will take care of it from there on in.

In my experience what your airush kite is doing is highly unusual.

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

8 Jan 2006 10:19pm

Truley?! dow hard do you pump them up, because iv seen it happen with my 14m flow and Drews 12m Reactor, i think it would be a bit too much of a coencidence for two kites to do exactly the same thing when pumping up the LE was the issue in both kites. I told him to pump it harder so he did, now he hasnt had any issues with folding.

kk

953 posts

WA, 953 posts

8 Jan 2006 11:18pm

or on the other hand the kite may just be too powered up? If the rear wing tips are folding in and touching each other and then collapsing through the bottom of the window... Does the kite also do this when de-powered?

user

1140 posts

user

WA, 1140 posts

9 Jan 2006 5:29am

quote:
Originally posted by samio

Hey all, iv got an 06 airush flow, the kite overall is excellent and defiatly worth the money! Buuuttttt...... Unless you pump it up like a mofo as in, it makes that *boooonnnnggggg* sound when you put it on the beach, it closes up when going at high speeds or turning quickly, as in the two wingtips fold and meet eachother in the middle, this causes instant loss of power and control and the kite crashes, iv just posted this to help anyone who's having the same problem, it also happens with the reactors. Iv been told a 5th line would help, but cant really be bothered, so in conclusion, With the Airush 06 Flows and Reactors, make sure you pump it up to around 6.5 PSI.
I hope iv helped someone coz i know it was annoying when it first happened to me.
Cheers.

I dont know about the "Booonnngggg"

But it should go "Piiinnnggg" when you flick it with your finger.

If it goes "Bonk" keep pumping. If it goes "Bong" keep pumping.

GalahOnTheBay

NSW

4188 posts

GalahOnTheBay

NSW, 4188 posts

9 Jan 2006 9:24am

wow - never seen that happen to any kite. except for an arx with no air in the leading edge bladder.

Talk to your friendly retailer, that's just not supposed to happen.

user

1140 posts

user

WA, 1140 posts

9 Jan 2006 9:16am

The other thing to check is for a slow leak.

The kite might go " Boooooooong" at first,but check it afterwards.

assmaster

224 posts

assmaster

WA, 224 posts

9 Jan 2006 9:38am

i have a great solution to your problems! just sell your kites and get some that dont fold up, should be easy to do if you have 06,05 kites.

pezza

155 posts

pezza

WA, 155 posts

9 Jan 2006 10:42am

all my kites are airush kites and I have never had that problem and I put about 6 to 7 psi in them, how much were you putting in them when they fold up.

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

9 Jan 2006 1:24pm

Spoke to the guy who sold me it, who in turn spoke to Airush, they said that you need to have it at at least 6.5 psi. That feels pretty frikkin hard and i was just a bit worried about it being overinflated thats all. I really love my kite so i dont think ill sell it... But yeh, the sound i meant to say was ping :p.... ...i normally had it up really tight till somone said not to then my trouble started to happen. Turns out the 5th line wouldnt fix the problem (airush's words, not mine) so i think ill just keep pumping it up like a mofo. The only time this was happening was when i was MEGA powered and speeding like anything it would fold, but if its hard it holds its shape fine. It just needs to be super tight for really fast turning.

Kitehard

2782 posts

Kitehard

WA, 2782 posts

9 Jan 2006 1:38pm

Hi Samio,

I have ridden Airush for about 4 years and the latest kites are so close to the cutting edge of performance hey tend to have the problem of folding unless you pump em up hard. I pump my kite leading edges to around 7 psi. This only goes for the 05 and 06 model kites. If you have older Airush than this, they need less pressure to fly correctly becuase they weren't so cutting edge back then and the bladders/seams wont be happy at 7psi

I pump my struts to 8psi and LE to 7psi on my Halo and have no probs.

Boost On!

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

9 Jan 2006 1:43pm

Yeh their a high performance kite so they need that bit extra hey.

Kitehard

2782 posts

Kitehard

WA, 2782 posts

9 Jan 2006 2:25pm

Yep,

By the way, putting a 5th Line on the kite will definately stop the collapsing or folding and thats straight from the designers mouth (Ben).

If you are worried about the pressure being ab it firm, then whack the 5th on it if that floats ya boat.

Cheers and good winds,

milosh

35 posts

milosh

35 posts

9 Jan 2006 3:11pm

in brazil we have "crap strap". is simply felxible tension strap on topside of kite which is only in acting when kite likes to fold, but when kite is ok strap does not work, only when kite is working crap! hahaha, so find crap strap in perth if possible?

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

9 Jan 2006 3:13pm

Thanks for the info on the "crap Strap" but it seems like its a little to dodgy for me :p thanks anyway. depending on what the airush crew say ill prbably stick with the 5th line.
Cheers.

milosh

35 posts

milosh

35 posts

9 Jan 2006 3:19pm

not dodgy at all!! well maybe very little but if stitching is strong then only the strap will pull, not the stitching to the kite, so no danger to the kite at all. if you do not want 5th line crap strap is ure best freind!

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

9 Jan 2006 3:24pm

hahah so much enthusiasm. Ill think about it, but wil most likely go with the 5th line.

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

9 Jan 2006 3:25pm

do you have a pic of the strap btw?

hosko

393 posts

hosko

WA, 393 posts

9 Jan 2006 3:26pm

hey milosh it's steve here, i met you at scarborough last week.
was just wondering how you got on trying to find a new twister rod. any luck mate? hope everything is well will be down there this arvo if you're around....

milosh

35 posts

milosh

35 posts

9 Jan 2006 3:31pm

i can not find! but another freind of me who is at english learning centre has freind who works as steel working, he said he will make one for me, it is very simple, just a rod!!

i am going to scarb beach today steven, i bring my north rhino 16m because is only 25 knots tonight i hear?

milosh

35 posts

milosh

35 posts

9 Jan 2006 3:35pm

samio, stitch on handle to your ends of kite on topside, then find a cp with good length for your kite and attach hook to handles. make sure cp is not too short or will open your kite too much!! also put on both side of kite or kite will twist from pulling of cp! good luck

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

9 Jan 2006 4:32pm

Thanks for that. Really depends what the Airush people say.

milosh

35 posts

milosh

35 posts

9 Jan 2006 4:38pm

i have never seen done profesonally but in brazil every backyard bandito make it!!! very simple, "mate"

samio

183 posts

samio

WA, 183 posts

9 Jan 2006 4:49pm

hahaha

paul.j

QLD

3381 posts

paul.j

QLD, 3381 posts

9 Jan 2006 9:07pm

sounds likes nothing has changed with the kites,still folding

Kiting Monkey

26 posts

Kiting Monkey

WA, 26 posts

11 Jan 2006 9:18am

Umm still having this problem it seems!

And Airush are still using the same line that I cant understand riders would listen too

"it is cutting edge design and performance thats why they have some problems jelly and folding"

Its laughable

Ask your self this how many other kites at your local spot have a problem like this that is part of the design?

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