Interesting...
Glad I haven't paid for the first hellfish's if these are comming early 2006...
I said in the crossbow thread, a crossbow type kite with the cuben fibre could be a good thing... make it bladderless, and is it strutless? and it will probably be an even better thing...

Good to see the limits being pushed...

well hell that sounds pretty interesting. The thought of more glide after the jump really is the good stuff. Excuse me but how is it the other kite manufactures do not have access to this material. Could someone spell it out for the slow ones
Looks like 2006 should be wild lots of new stuff coming

The reason is this:
They haven't even got the Hellfish out yet,and already it is obsolete! There is great interest in the Cabrinha Crossbow,which just may make all current kites obsolete.

So to cover,Best have released a drawing of a kite that looks just like the Crossbow. Thats all it is,a drawing. In crayon,it looks like !They say it will be out in 06 !Thats a long way off !

It does not exist,yet they are trying to hype it !They even talk about the Hellfish in the past tense !
Must be pretty tough having a kite that is supposed to make everything obsolete ,then it is obsolete before it even comes out !

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Originally posted by FliHigh

It looks extremely similar to the crossbow......what on earth was the point in best launch ing the hellfish and then coming out with this.

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Here's your answer to that...

"While initial prototyping began on the flat, bladderless kite made from Cuben Fiber, the team realized that a traditionally shaped kite made from Cuben Fiber would hold significant performance advantages over all other kites made from Dacron and rip-stop and this kite could be brought to market very quickly. After extensive research yielding the conclusion that the patented Cuben material had no equal, an exclusivity agreement was signed between Best Kiteboarding and Cuben Fiber and the Hellfish was announced.Because custom Cuben Fiber made exclusively for Best is so strong, initial Hellfish prototypes were designed to achieve maximum aerodynamic efficiency through ultra-thin leading edges and struts that could hold a higher air pressure to support the shape of the kite. It astounded the R&D team to find out that the Cuben Fiber material was so structurally sound that the leading edge and struts did not need higher air pressure. The aerodynamically thin leading edge could be preserved without higher than normal pressures.

The first Hellfish prototypes were flown in early 2005, and the whole R&D team instantly knew they were on to something very, very special. The Hellfish had amazing power and wind range, but because of the unique load bearing properties of Cuben material, especially in the bias directions, it turned and responded better than anything the team had ever flown. "

The Hellfish is not obsolete as Tim Leary would have you believe...

regards browneee

Come on Hong Low!

How stupid do you think we are !

There is a HUGE buzz about the Crossbow.
Best have panicked and made some drawings up of a kite EXACTLY the same shape !

The Hellfish isn't even out yet,unless you count the "rev3" proto's,which don't work !
By the time they get the fish out,the Crossbows and Nova and Raptures will be everywhere.

Tim you keep posting as though you know what your talking about...

The reference to the "rev 3" has no relevance to the final model, apart from this;

The feed back we gained from all the riders (best R & D team & Joe public rider's) that rode each revision, helped us to iron out all the wrinkles for the final model that was released two weeks ago and started shipping around the globe...

regards browneee

Again you seem focused on prototypes tim ? Thats why their prototypes !

regards browneee

Hi Steve,

I've got some thoughts. Just from the outside, here’s how I imagine kite companies work: they sit around a big hookah and one guy says something like, “I hear Cabrinha and Takoon are working on a bridled LEI.”
“No sh-t. How does it fly?”
“Dunno. Physics is on their side, though. Release date’s still a few months off.”
“Well what’ll we do about this super-lightweight LEI that we've spent the last six months prototyping?”
“Sell it now. Right now.”
“Dude, we can’t even get it to fly right.”
“Preorders. Lock em in.”
“And when the Cabrinha’s hit the market?”
“We’ll think up something in the meantime.”
It's a dog-eat-dog world (or a doggy-dogg world, depending on your taste in music), and I understand the logic behind this. But deep down I hope Cabrinha absolutely dominate with their kite.

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Originally posted by TimothyLeary

I am just saying that the prototypes are all that exists at the moment.

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False claims Tim...

regards browneee

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What else is there ???????

So far----Nuthing,nada,zero etc etc !

SANDOZ....... I think your onto something there!

Classic stuff.

Would be a tragedy to see the traditional nemi go, one of the best boosting kites I've ever flown.

I wouldn't worry too muchabout the Nemy.....2006 is a long way off..when youv'e only got a drawing !

What is it with you Best guys ??

You have the biggest chip on your shoulder !

You thought that you would be able to **** on everybody with the Hellfish,and it backfired poo all over you !

Now,you are claiming a kite that only exists as a blurry sketch,no real detail,just a whole lot of hooey!

Best were doing alright with their copied standard designs.They were proven designs. A little out of date,but for the price,excellent value.

When they tried to come up with their own design,the Hellfish,well,its all been said.It just did not work,and all they could do was offer a whole lot of excuses. Now they claim to have changed the design for the consumer kites.This does not mean they will be any better. They may be worse !!!

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Originally posted by TimothyLeary

Best were doing alright with their copied standard designs. They were proven designs. A little out of date,but for the price,excellent value.

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Have you even visited our website ?. Have you even read about our development since we started ?. Do you know who Peter Stiewe is ?.

In our first 6 months we contracted EH kiteboarding to design our kites. Liquid Force was doing the same. Shortly after that, Peter Stiewe, EH's head designer left an joind the best R & D team in Cabrette. All our designs are the brain children of Peter...

Now this is where I start to question your knowledge of the sport, design and comments. Are you aware pretty much of all the designers know each other ?. Are you aware they too have their own chat/forums where they bounce ideas... All these kite designs have been floating around for ages just waiting for the right fabrics to be dreamt up...

regards browneee

i reckon brownee is alright....he takes the criticism on the nose, fires back clear facts no messing around.
and the best thing is he doesnt get angry and fire insults as does bleary tim.
Good on you hung long you can have first play with my breasts.