Auto Self Trimming bar for Unhooking?

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Wisha
Wisha
SA
255 posts
SA, 255 posts
22 Apr 2011 11:45pm
When riding around in powered conditions sometimes you want to pull some trim before unhooking, especially for handle passes etc. Then release trim again for boosting. Can be annoying.
Was thinking what if you had a bar that when, say 1 inch or 2 from the chicken loop starts pulling on the equivalent of a mini 5th line giving you an instant 1 inch trim while the bar is trimmed against the loop?


Thoughts??
yeehaa
yeehaa
QLD
123 posts
QLD, 123 posts
23 Apr 2011 12:29pm
Yeah, i see where you're coming from, i like.

But with the bar right out, wouldn't that line be swinging loose or something? It will need some kind of spring like coil on it or re-coil area to take up the slack
richswing
richswing
WA
724 posts
WA, 724 posts
23 Apr 2011 12:18pm
Nice idea, I thought about a similar thing a while back.

Just elasticize the line so that it is slightly tensioned when not used.

Fit an adjustable stopper so that you can change the depower when you unhook.

The only downside is that you may not get the amount of depower you would like as it would be similar to adjusting your normal depower to unhook as per norm.

I developed an Un-hooker a while back but have not tested it, it would engage on the depower line by locking it in place between the CL and the bar.

Other other option is to use a Clam cleat below the bar to engage depower when unhooking.

Cheers
Rich
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
23 Apr 2011 2:25pm
I know of 2 ways....patent pending
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
23 Apr 2011 6:32pm
i think i remember old mate from new kiteboarding developing a mini 5th for unhooking. but from memory it attached to the spreader bar so when you were waveriding unhooked you could extend the bar away from you to put tension on the line and depower a bit.

Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
25 Apr 2011 9:27pm
just learn how to unhook more powered / properly is the most obvious solution.

or be not lazy and reach for the trim strap.
Munga
Munga
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
25 Apr 2011 10:46pm
OK I have always imagined the perfect de-power:
De-power
- roll you hands back on the bar
- the back lines lengthen by 20=30 mm
- de-powering the kite
Power-up
- Roll your hands forward on the bar
- the lines shorten by 20=30 mm
- powering up the bar

Now you have the ideas, Engineers please come up with the design...!

Application - unhooked surf perfection...

Credit to Munga designs, SIK...
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
25 Apr 2011 10:49pm
stamp said...

i think i remember old mate from new kiteboarding developing a mini 5th for unhooking. but from memory it attached to the spreader bar so when you were waveriding unhooked you could extend the bar away from you to put tension on the line and depower a bit.



sounds a bit like a chicken loop
You could have a below the bar depower with a short above the bar depower but I reckon learn to ride with the kite depowered enough to unhook or like charl said learn to unhook with more power depends if your glass is half full or half empty I guess
axis
axis
VIC
399 posts
VIC, 399 posts
26 Apr 2011 9:00am
TurtleHunter said...

stamp said...

i think i remember old mate from new kiteboarding developing a mini 5th for unhooking. but from memory it attached to the spreader bar so when you were waveriding unhooked you could extend the bar away from you to put tension on the line and depower a bit.


sounds a bit like a chicken loop
You could have a below the bar depower with a short above the bar depower but I reckon learn to ride with the kite depowered enough to unhook or like charl said learn to unhook with more power depends if your glass is half full or half empty I guess


Naish did this - called it a freebar I think. To depower unhooked the line needs to take pressure - was designed for waveriding, and kites at the time didn't have the high 1000% depower they have now, or the ultra long chicken line.

http://www.ikiteboarding.com/kiteboarding/articles/naish-uds-control-bar-a-look-in-detail.aspx

Just use a kite designed for unhooking.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
26 Apr 2011 3:38pm
^^^ The freebar was more designed for wave riding as it still gave you the ability to depower the kite and a lot more flexibility on where / how you held the bar. Having said that they didn't really take off as it's still nowhere near as good a wave riding setup as unhooking

stamp said...

i think i remember old mate from new kiteboarding developing a mini 5th for unhooking. but from memory it attached to the spreader bar so when you were waveriding unhooked you could extend the bar away from you to put tension on the line and depower a bit.


I'm pretty sure RRD did something similar back in the dark ages (c kites) for a wave kite, but on theirs they had it setup so that when you pushed the bar away from you it engaged the 5th line to really drop the power out of the kite.

Pulling on a 5th line tends to make the kite want to fall out of the air unless you have the kite towards the edge of the window (not ablve your head) and could balance the tendancy to fall out of the sky with a compensating back line.

It worked well as a short term (less that a few seconds) depower solution but not much more than that.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
26 Apr 2011 2:43pm
I'm wondering whether this is a troll or not...
Learn to unhook properly and ride a kite and bar that works/ is setup for it and you got no dramas. If you do have dramas the first thing you want to look at is probably getting a bigger chicken loop so you are set up in a better position to unhook without adding power to the kite.
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
26 Apr 2011 6:15pm
Why does everyone over-complicate this issue??

Trim correctly and there is never an problem.
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
26 Apr 2011 7:28pm
Bigwavedave said...

Why does everyone over-complicate this issue??

Trim correctly and there is never an problem.


because this is kiting.
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