Bar Pressure?

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SlicerDicer
SlicerDicer
179 posts
179 posts
27 Aug 2010 5:14am
I am writing this cause I read about people complaining of bar pressure.. I ride a 9 meter crossbow in Maui, got it at ESS Boardstore in Gosford (thanks mark great kite have lots of fun) I am getting a 11m next month to be able to ride all winter.

Ok first off I am unable to transition I still have to teabag myself in the water to turn around and go out to sea or back towards land. I am able to cut upwind very well.

Here is my beef is people complaining of bar pressure I do not understand it? I was in 9 meter crossbow with 19 kt winds yesterday. I found it to be very responsive however I have zero bar pressure? I was taught by my instructor to not pull on the bar but let the harness load everything 100% and you just steer the kite.. your body moves to displace gusts. I sat out there first day out myself and rode for over 2 hours without getting tired. My arms were not loaded at all? Read: my wrist is limp I hold it open hand. I do not have my thumb on the bar really.

Anybody else do this or have any reasons why they do what they do? I would love to hear :)

If anybody is going to be in Maui give me a shout too
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
27 Aug 2010 10:02am
Maui........2868

(jealous)
SlicerDicer
SlicerDicer
179 posts
179 posts
27 Aug 2010 8:10am
2868?
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
27 Aug 2010 8:12am
Hi SLicerdicer,

As a newbie, and by the sound of it, having only flown one kite, you have come into the sport at a time when heavy bar pressure is almost a thing of the past and your reference is a Crossbow.

There are dozens of different kites on the market to suit loads of different riding styles. Some people like a bit of bar pressure, some like it feather light. If you are not sure what heavy bar pressure is, take a ride on the original Cab Crossbow, then you'll know what people are talking about.

There is different types of bar feel and operation and some misinterpret bar pressure for bar feedback. Some kites are more responsive than others and you can "feel" what the kite is doing through the "feedback" in the bar.

A short bar throw or depower length is desirable and the absence of pulleys on the kite bridle and more specifically on the bar ends is most desirable. The more dirctly connected the lines go from bar end to kite, the better.

The older "bow" models had both pulleys on the wingtips bribles and also on the bar. The bar pulleys effectively doubled the amount of bar turn input but unfortunately also doubled the already heavy bar pressure. All these pulleys created lots of tension but zero bar feel and it was almost impossible to "feel" what the kite was doing or where it was in the sky which meant you had to watch the kite at all times. This created both a physical and mental drain and was quite exhausting to fly.

Some bars are very light in actual pressure but are very heavy to steer like the older North Rhino's and some have heavy bar pressure but light steering.

Riders doing wake style tricks tend to like a heavier less responsive bar so the kite doesn't move much during a trick where they are passing the bar with one hand on the control bar. Surf riders want a lighter, faster and more responsive bar and kite because they need the kite to turn with one hand. The other hand is used to offset balance and allow the body to remain more side on or "open position" to the kite to create a better stance for wave riding.

I have used kites in the old days which caused chronic tennis elbow where the pain was excruciating but mostly nowadays kites are pretty kind to your body.

Many kites like the new Core GTS have multiple settings on the kites bridle which allow almost limitless customizing of feel and pressure to suit individual tastes.

The sport has come a long way in a short time and it is worth while to get out and try different kites as they are all quite different. Some you will like, some you may not, but you'll never never know, if you never ever go

Enjoy your kiting

KH
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
27 Aug 2010 9:43am
SlicerDicer said...

2868?


...ummm, Col, how you gunna explain this one?????
SlicerDicer
SlicerDicer
179 posts
179 posts
27 Aug 2010 8:16am
I have only flown Cabrinha Kites,

7m Convert, 9m Convert, 9m Crossbow and a 12m Switchblade

Pretty much all of them flew the same except the 7 meter was faster than all hell across the sky with any steering.

Puetz said...

SlicerDicer said...

2868?


...ummm, Col, how you gunna explain this one?????


No worries I got it teh google it.... 'site:seabreeze.com.au 2868' :) Just remember to plug the bloody hole once a month 0_o and I just explained it good no?
orynoco
orynoco
QLD
271 posts
QLD, 271 posts
27 Aug 2010 11:09pm
Kitehard has told you all you need to know for now. Go out and get a couple of seasons experiance, and try every kite you can. Soon you'll find a kite that suits and in 8 months you'll be looking at the next years cool gear.

Just enjoy it.
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