Bar Tuning

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Warrentch
Warrentch
NSW
28 posts
NSW, 28 posts
28 Dec 2013 10:29pm
I have been riding a Switchblade pretty hard for two season and found the depower point creeping further and further up the centre lines. After checking out the tech tip videos I have retuned the bar and it feels great however after an hour or two the bar starts detuning. It was dead on at the start of a session and two hours later I am starting to struggle in gusts so I go in and check again and it is out 5cm. Returned, retuned and went out again. No problems. I have done this twice now (two different sessions). My steering lines are at maximum extension and now I am adjusting the centre lines. I am trying to figure out why the continual creep away after such a short time. Could the lines be defective and they need replacing after just two seasons? The figure 8 knots cannot slide so it is not knot slippage.

Anybody notice something similar or have some insight?

PS a great session at Bbay today. Friendly crowd - locals beach goers and kiters.
Haydn24
Haydn24
QLD
473 posts
QLD, 473 posts
28 Dec 2013 9:37pm
Would definitely advise to replace lines, or at least front lines
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
28 Dec 2013 9:42pm
Warrentch said..

I have been riding a Switchblade pretty hard for two season and found the depower point creeping further and further up the centre lines. After checking out the tech tip videos I have retuned the bar and it feels great however after an hour or two the bar starts detuning. It was dead on at the start of a session and two hours later I am starting to struggle in gusts so I go in and check again and it is out 5cm. Returned, retuned and went out again. No problems. I have done this twice now (two different sessions). My steering lines are at maximum extension and now I am adjusting the centre lines. I am trying to figure out why the continual creep away after such a short time. Could the lines be defective and they need replacing after just two seasons? The figure 8 knots cannot slide so it is not knot slippage.

Anybody notice something similar or have some insight?

PS a great session at Bbay today. Friendly crowd - locals beach goers and kiters.


I have a SB as well, and I had a similar problem. What I was doing wrong, was the way I was shortening the centre (depower) lines. Cutting the lines and re-tying doing sheeps-knots to shorten them was shortening them alright, but I was actually stretching the lines even more, to the point they snapped clean! Scary situation just as I was about to do a loop. If that's what you did, stop! You need to learn how to splice the lines properly and remembering that for every 1cm you shorten them at the kite end (bridles), it becomes 2cm shorter at the depower point above the bar. I don't know why it occurs, but it did with mine. So I went and got a Fid and learnt how to splice the lines properly because that way I would pull in 1cm of the top line and 1cm of the bottom line together at the same time, cleanly without knots and it made for a precise adjustment. Of course the Cabrinha test of having all the lines together at the tree/fence end and the bar just touching the chicken loop made it all even for me, and had no problems since. Of course, to avoid all the hassle, just take the bar/lines to your shop and they should be able to do it.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
28 Dec 2013 9:44pm
Haydn24 said..

Would definitely advise to replace lines, or at least front lines


No need if you know how to splice lines. Lines do not "die" suddenly, unless you damage them with un-necessary knots. It depends on the lines of course, but most kites use that Dracon (correct my spelling) type that is hollow on the inside. If so, good! A splice will fix the issue and save $$$ on new lines.
Warrentch
Warrentch
NSW
28 posts
NSW, 28 posts
28 Dec 2013 10:48pm
Thanks but I did not cut the lines in anyway. I just used the built in line length ajustments on both the steering and then later the center lines as per the tech tip videos.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
28 Dec 2013 9:52pm
Warrentch said..

Thanks but I did not cut the lines in anyway. I just used the built in line length ajustments on both the steering and then later the center lines as per the tech tip videos.


yeah, but that's what they would say on a public forum like utube. I do not expect Cabrinha to be teaching line splicing techniques, which is a far superior method of shortening lines. Looping them over like they suggest is well.. I'll say 'weak' in that it weakens the lines and hence causes them to stretch out far more easily under load. They are hollow after all. Think of those clown sausage balloons at fetes and parties. Squeeze one in the middle and pull hard on either end. What's going to happen? POP!
SibboV1
SibboV1
368 posts
368 posts
28 Dec 2013 10:06pm
Check that the rope in the mainline (plastic tube that runs through your bar) is still holding up. They get sand in them and slowly wear over time. Yours might be about to break through, hence the growth in the centre lines.

Connect it up to something solid and then to your harness and put a bit of load through it. Check if the main line is stretching by looking to see if safety line is moving in relation to the end of the mainline.
Fecal
Fecal
VIC
54 posts
VIC, 54 posts
29 Dec 2013 9:46am
This is happening to me as well with the 2014 Switchblade on both of my bars (12 & 8)

My centre lines are stretching on average 2cm every session and I am constantly having to readjust them.

After my last session on my 8 I had a look at my lines and they where out by about 3cm, instead of changing any knots I managed to stretch my rear lines by just pulling on the bar.

If I managed to manually stretch them it has me wondering about the integrity of the lines and wonder if they will continue to stretch or eventuality reach a point where they stop.

Maybe some input from some of the Cabrinha dealers on the forum may help with this and may know if this is common or maybe warrentch and myself may have some defective lines.
NSW, 4382 posts
29 Dec 2013 2:15pm
There were some faulty lines around a couple of years ago, but have not heard of any in the last 2 seasons, including the current season 2014 kites, go back and see your dealer Fecal.

If your lines on your 2-3 year old kite are flecked, as in white lines with red and black flecks woven into them, they are the faulty lines and your local dealer should still have some replacement sets. We actually replaced all our lines before the kites were sold, so I'm confident that there are not many locals that have this issue but I cannot vouch for how other dealers handled the recall by Cabrinha.
daggy
daggy
WA
528 posts
WA, 528 posts
29 Dec 2013 11:21am
Are you insane???
You've got about 40 cm of movement on your bar which you 'adjust' about a billion times every time you put your kite in the air!!!
How in the hell are you going to notice that your lines have stretched 2 cm in a session ???

I've only been kiting for 9 years and I've never tuned a bar in my life. What are you guys talking about?????????
ritz
ritz
20 posts
20 posts
29 Dec 2013 1:04pm
I agree with daggy. Stop buggering around and kite
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
29 Dec 2013 3:21pm
And Jesus said, "... and those that are laughing now will be crying later...And the meak shall rule the new kingdom...".
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