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Best glue for reglueing valves?

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Created by Capt Loopy Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019
Capt Loopy
NSW, 262 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 5:23PM
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Any recommendations for the best glue for reglueing one pump valves.


cauncy
WA, 6826 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 2:26PM
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Capt Loopy said..
Any recommendations for the best glue for reglueing one pump valves.



Don't glue, replace with new stick on valve,

pumpnjump
WA, 216 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 2:57PM
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No need to replace, Stormsure glue is as good as any Ustick valve, as long as you do it properly. Clarke Rubber sell it.

Capt Loopy
NSW, 262 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 7:05PM
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Capt Loopy said..
Any recommendations for the best glue for reglueing one pump valves.




Don't glue, replace with new stick on valve,


5 valve gone @ $25 per valve fu(k that I'll give the glue a shot first.

pumpnjump said..
No need to replace, Stormsure glue is as good as any Ustick valve, as long as you do it properly. Clarke Rubber sell it.

Thanks mate will look into it tomorrow

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 717 posts
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Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 8:31PM
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Stormsure glue!
Also fixes peeling bar grip, footpads, etc.

www.kitepower.com.au/search?q=stormsure

cauncy
WA, 6826 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 5:39PM
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cauncy said..


Capt Loopy said..
Any recommendations for the best glue for reglueing one pump valves.





Don't glue, replace with new stick on valve,



5 valve gone @ $25 per valve fu(k that I'll give the glue a shot first.

pumpnjump said..
No need to replace, Stormsure glue is as good as any Ustick valve, as long as you do it properly. Clarke Rubber sell it.

Thanks mate will look into it tomorrow


When your glue fails you'll be totally rooted as you'll have glue on your bladder which is impossible to remove. And then get another valve to seal, contact the sail doctor and at least get some advice from a professional

farNT
QLD, 76 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 7:42PM
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Hay Loopy
I use Tarzan grip general purpose glue ,Reglued every valve on my old slingshot Octane 2 years ago and still going strong plus a few others :
fully remove old valve ,if it wont come off dip it in hot water and it will peel off easy..
rough up the bladder a bit with some fine sandpaper and on the valve I use a bench grinder buffing wheel to remove old glue.
after you sand bladder, use a alcohol wipe to make sure its clean and same on the valve. Tape the bladder to a bench book whatever so its flat and apply glue to the valve only {if you apply it to the bladder it goes all crinkly and it is hard to get it flat] ,place valve in the desired position and I then use two bits of ply [one isn't thick enough] about 10cmx10cm with a hole I use a hole saw bit bigger than the valve stem over the top and use a g clamp and clamp overnight ..use a bit of paper between the timber and the valve in case excess glue comes out the side and sticks the wood to the bladder ..Think that covers but if you have any questions give me a msg
Good luck

weebitbreezy
376 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 9:00PM
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Storm sure is fine. I prefer Aquasure (mcnetts) personally. I have 2 years so far on the last leading edge I glued up.

The key to getting a good seal is cleaning the old glue off before hand (dip in hot water and scrape) and allowing it to cure fully (at least 24hours) under pressure (either weight on top or clamped between wood templates). Its also worth cleaning both sides with alcohol wipes. Take care not to stretch the bladder material much whilst you peel the old valve off.

Don't bother trying to fix the bit that has peeled. Take the whole valve off and start again. The glue that you don't replace is only going to fail at some point so might as well sort it out now.

Replacement stick on valves make sense in isolation (maybe on a strut for example) but unless you know a reason why one valve is starting to go you might find all the valves are starting to unglue so you might as well reglue them all in one go (I gave the other valves a good wiggle when I took the leading edge out and 2 others started to peel so I decided to do all in one go).

The price for 5 new valves is getting towards the price of a bladder anyway so you don't lose anything if you can't get them unglued again in 3 years time. That said, worth buying replacement valves for a kite trip. If you're on holiday, you can't afford to waste 2 days whilst you fix the valve. 2 days of my time whilst I'm at work is another matter.

Fly on da wall
VIC, 667 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 7:50AM
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Use acetone to clean old valve and bladder and make sure you remove the double sided tape that they were put on with. Peels off in hot water then Stormsure or Aquaseal.
A little glue on both sides then I use a 50c from bunnings plastic plumbing reducer 40mm x 25mm, it fits over the valve and then you do 3 or 4 in a row and place timber on top then weight e.g.. A brick or two on top. Never had a valve fail and I've done a lot of kites! Good luck

pumpnjump
WA, 216 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 11:47AM
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Fly on da wall said..
Use acetone to clean old valve and bladder and make sure you remove the double sided tape that they were put on with. Peels off in hot water then Stormsure or Aquaseal.
A little glue on both sides then I use a 50c from bunnings plastic plumbing reducer 40mm x 25mm, it fits over the valve and then you do 3 or 4 in a row and place timber on top then weight e.g.. A brick or two on top. Never had a valve fail and I've done a lot of kites! Good luck


Pretty much the same process I have used, I place waxed baking paper between the valve, and a 50mm length of swimming pool noodle over the valve and weight that down, conforms perfectly to any variations in the valve. Despite what Cauncy says, do it properly the valve will not fail. Stormsure glue has isocyanate and acetates in its composition, try pulling one off and you will tear the bladder. I think he just needs the last say! :)

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Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 3:24PM
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Capt Loopy said..
Any recommendations for the best glue for reglueing one pump valves.



I have fixed a few cab valves just using a rectangle of 3" tear aid, cut a rectangualr hole in the middle just big enough to get the valve through, then sticking over the whole valve and back onto the bladder. Out of the 20 or so i have done like this, only one came back... i cut the small hole in the middle a bit too big i think.

Fly on da wall
VIC, 667 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 4:30PM
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pumpnjump said..

Fly on da wall said..
Use acetone to clean old valve and bladder and make sure you remove the double sided tape that they were put on with. Peels off in hot water then Stormsure or Aquaseal.
A little glue on both sides then I use a 50c from bunnings plastic plumbing reducer 40mm x 25mm, it fits over the valve and then you do 3 or 4 in a row and place timber on top then weight e.g.. A brick or two on top. Never had a valve fail and I've done a lot of kites! Good luck



Pretty much the same process I have used, I place waxed baking paper between the valve, and a 50mm length of swimming pool noodle over the valve and weight that down, conforms perfectly to any variations in the valve. Despite what Cauncy says, do it properly the valve will not fail. Stormsure glue has isocyanate and acetates in its composition, try pulling one off and you will tear the bladder. I think he just needs the last say! :)


cauncy needing the last say...
He can validate date that!
I say he's not that worthy, not worthy... Ha

cauncy
WA, 6826 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 4:41PM
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Fly on da wall said..


pumpnjump said..



Fly on da wall said..
Use acetone to clean old valve and bladder and make sure you remove the double sided tape that they were put on with. Peels off in hot water then Stormsure or Aquaseal.
A little glue on both sides then I use a 50c from bunnings plastic plumbing reducer 40mm x 25mm, it fits over the valve and then you do 3 or 4 in a row and place timber on top then weight e.g.. A brick or two on top. Never had a valve fail and I've done a lot of kites! Good luck





Pretty much the same process I have used, I place waxed baking paper between the valve, and a 50mm length of swimming pool noodle over the valve and weight that down, conforms perfectly to any variations in the valve. Despite what Cauncy says, do it properly the valve will not fail. Stormsure glue has isocyanate and acetates in its composition, try pulling one off and you will tear the bladder. I think he just needs the last say! :)




cauncy needing the last say...
He can validate date that!
I say he's not that worthy, not worthy... Ha



Hahn extra light on special again
Watched the sail doctor and his offsider removing glue on multiple valves and bladder on a diy glue job, basically a f.....in dogs breakfast
Even if the valves are $25 x5
your basically good as new, I'd prefer to do it once correctly,
nothing like a big deserted downwinder to see if you got it right, Ryan's the approved repairist for all the brands and outlets here in WA, pretty sure he always puts a new valve on from what I've seen

Robbo2099
WA, 710 posts
Monday , 17 Feb 2019 11:02PM
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Stormsure is the only surefire permanent solution. Anything else you use will be only temporary.

Fly on da wall
VIC, 667 posts
Monday , 18 Feb 2019 5:21PM
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Robbo2099 said..
Stormsure is the only surefire permanent solution. Anything else you use will be only temporary.


Yeah, besides aquaseal...

snalberski
WA, 613 posts
Monday , 18 Feb 2019 3:59PM
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Stormsure for sure, but if you want an instant trouble minimized repair buy a new bladder, theyre only about $100 or so.



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