Best light wind kite

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DPH
DPH
NSW
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DPH DPH
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17 Dec 2006 11:34pm
Ok, I know this has been asked before, but from what I can tell it hasn't been asked since the latest bow's and sle's have been released.

I have a 12M rebel as my main kite, however I generally need a good 20knts or so to get going as I am pretty heavy (90kg). So what I am after is a good light wind kite from an 05 or 06 range that would get me up and going in the 15 - 20 knt range.

Some opinions and suggestions would be great. Particularly whether people think a large C kite like a 17m Fuel would be good, or whether it would be better to go for a second hand bow for light wind?

Cheers,

Daniel
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
18 Dec 2006 12:13am
Sounds like you need a bigger board or better technique if you can't get going in 15 knots.
90kg isn't all that heavy.
I reckon the "best lightwind kite" is the big 17m Flysurfer speed, but I noticed Moritz has some Contras in the for sale. Probably the next best thing.
Seriously though if you're only looking for a bottom end of 15 knots, get a lightwind board.
Rovert
Rovert
QLD
68 posts
QLD, 68 posts
18 Dec 2006 8:24am

DPH, Tobes is right. 17m Flysurfer Speed - sweet as in light wind - but a light wind board is probably more important. I've had my Speed for a couple of months. That with a light wind twintip (136 x45 Cardboard ) and there are no more trips to the water (about 35mins) to just watch the effect of 10knot zephyrs...I go sailing in them instead! I'm about 85kgs. I ride Waroos (12 and 9, '06) in stronger winds - but if you want something which is aerodynamically efficient for the light winds (and actully looks like it should fly!), go the foil. Easy to self launch and land, good safety, good water relaunch, fastest thing around. I haven't flown the new Contras, Waroo Pros or other '07 kites....but they'd have to have a very good bottom end to beat the Speed. And the big new Flysurfers (eg Psycho III, 17m) appear to have similar bottom end with more depower so quite a bit wider range. Good luck.
DPH
DPH
NSW
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DPH DPH
NSW, 45 posts
18 Dec 2006 3:40pm
Thanks Rovert / Tobes.

I think there is definately a technique issue. I have only been kiting for 3 months or so, so still coming up to speed with the upwind riding etc. Just thought a light wind kite might get me out on the water a bit more often but by the sound of it a few more hours on the kite might be the trick.

I have got a Slingshot SX 147 board, so it is already quite well suited to lighter winds. Might have a look at the flysurfer though and keep it in mind in case I still need something after a few more months on the water. Cheers.
kiteodyssey
kiteodyssey
QLD
17 posts
QLD, 17 posts
18 Dec 2006 3:44pm
Dude, im 90kg and spent most of my time riding 16m Naish Raven... the ultimate kite for 12-20kn.... has smooth power from bottom to top... it takes the gusts well and boosts like nothing else.... if your into unhooking its sweet for that too, just not over 15-18kn or your arms get ripped off...
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
18 Dec 2006 5:22pm
quote:
Originally posted by DPH

Thanks Rovert / Tobes.

I think there is definately a technique issue. I have only been kiting for 3 months or so, so still coming up to speed with the upwind riding etc. Just thought a light wind kite might get me out on the water a bit more often but by the sound of it a few more hours on the kite might be the trick.

I have got a Slingshot SX 147 board, so it is already quite well suited to lighter winds. Might have a look at the flysurfer though and keep it in mind in case I still need something after a few more months on the water. Cheers.



There are a couple of technique issues often missed by beginners.

The main one I see missed by people is holding the bar in on upstrokes. Try pull the bar in on downstrokes and let the bar out on upstrokes to allow the kite to get speed to go up high. The other items is try get up planing before you start trying to edge upwind or you kill the kite. Once you are up and riding then steer upwind. If you edge against the kite while its still trying to pull you up, it kills most of the power.
kurt
kurt
QLD
177 posts
QLD, 177 posts
19 Dec 2006 7:45am
For me, it has been a clear stand out after owning quite a few 18-20m kites of diferent brands and models. The 20m Waroo.
Fantastic bottom end, wind range, jumps, relaunch. Everything you want in a big kite. I'm selling mine now only to upgrade to the new model.

I have yet to try a 17 speed, but the windrange, water relaunch and turning speed and jumping ability would be what I would focus on when I do. Hoping to swap with a friend soon to compare.
Keahi
Keahi
QLD
853 posts
QLD, 853 posts
19 Dec 2006 11:01am
a lot of people also seem to have a bit to much weight on their back foot
Bart
Bart
QLD
34 posts
QLD, 34 posts
19 Dec 2006 12:10pm
I would recommend the 2006 16m Cross Bow (with bridle mod) - I am 97kg, ride a 140cm board and am up in 12 knots. It has a huge wind range and is well suited to heavier riders, IMO. Dont know much about the foils so cannot compare/comment.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
19 Dec 2006 6:23pm
I brought Kurt's old BFK 21 and I like that for a light wind kite. . based on a 20min test ride on the Waroo I'd stay with the BFK because it feels more "powered up" in the gusts. You could probably get a BFK 18 much cheaper than a 2nd hand Waroo.
Tonewolf
Tonewolf
382 posts
382 posts
19 Dec 2006 7:52pm
My main problem when I first started was the size and shape of my board...not the kite size, I would say to you, go and get some advice from yer local shop about the type of board you should have....I did this just a few months ago....decided to get me a better board and now I look good on the water....and only face plant when I WANT TO!!
I'm the same weight as you and I've now got an underground 152. I'm going upwind like a trooper...

Most shops will let ya test ride their boards.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
19 Dec 2006 8:10pm
something wrong if you cant get going below 20 knots... my guess is your over stating how strong the wind is! but the flysurfer looks the go for light wind yet i only c them out like twice a season over here!
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
19 Dec 2006 11:38pm
dude, get a big board, big kites suck the wahootee!!!
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
19 Dec 2006 10:49pm
147 sounds big enough to me... ive certainly never ridden anything that big apart from a surf board and that was not too much bigger
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
20 Dec 2006 12:31am
when you get a big kite you can hear the orchestra turning it around!
beethoven, bach, schumann, etc
gasman
gasman
WA
320 posts
WA, 320 posts
20 Dec 2006 12:04am
Listen to Geenleader
The WHOLE issue is the board and also fins
OK if you have to be doing aerials all the time, don't go a surf board ........ but I would seriously consider getting a proper kite surfboard, then you will never have to ask the question as to kite size again. I wouldn't be seen dead on anything bigger that a 12m C or a 9m Hybrid.
And if your local spots are not suitable for a surfboard, you could always MOVE
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
20 Dec 2006 10:31am
Yes a good idea >look at what boards the guys are out on (prob your instructor too) in light winds and if they are having fun get one .When starting out light winds are more noobie friendly so get a board that suits .If it happens to cost a few more bucks it is worth the expense .
Bart
Bart
QLD
34 posts
QLD, 34 posts
20 Dec 2006 10:51am
The board is a big part - but if you weigh in the 90's you will need a big kite if you want to ride in light wind.
Bart
Bart
QLD
34 posts
QLD, 34 posts
20 Dec 2006 12:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by greenleader

when you get a big kite you can hear the orchestra turning it around!
beethoven, bach, schumann, etc



OK lets take the 3 composers multiplied by the most popular kite size 12 and take away the (at least) 20 kg he has on you - and what do we get = 16 (metre)
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
20 Dec 2006 11:23am
The key is definitely the right board and kite combination.

I tried to get a lightwind challenge happening in Perth last year - lots of talk but no walk - how about it Dale (and any others interested)?

Despite what GreenLeader says I still have a lot of fun below 10 knots with my 17m FlySurfer Speed and custom directional RF (see http://members.iinet.net.au/~ianyoung/boards.html#RailFin ) - waves are glassier below 10 knots
NorthSide
NorthSide
WA
238 posts
WA, 238 posts
20 Dec 2006 6:34pm
I'm up for the challenge Ian, as long as you have no objection to me using a queen size inflatable mattress as a board
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
20 Dec 2006 8:52pm
Ian I've got to back you up here I saw you many years ago in the broadwater on the goldie with the flysurfer and rail board. I was about to buy my first kite and I was interested in your gear as you were overtaking everyone else on the water, jumping big, and cutting harder upwind as well. Having said that I reckon tube kites and board designs have probably caught up a bit since then.

Greenleader & Gasman, I think maybe you're missing something. Big kites can be great for 2 reasons: you don't have to work them, and the bigger the kite the slower you come down. I love doing huge floaty jumps on the 21, stretching out to meet the water then relaxing again cos I'm just hovering a foot off the water for an extra few seconds. Sometimes it feels like if I don't stretch down and touch the water with my board, I'll just stay a foot off it for good. Sure there's less adrenaline, but things like a sunset 'soul session' big kites are pretty sweet.
NorthSide
NorthSide
WA
238 posts
WA, 238 posts
20 Dec 2006 8:04pm
quote:
Originally posted by NorthSide

I'm up for the challenge Ian, as long as you have no objection to me using a queen size inflatable mattress as a board



p.s your boards look pretty radical!
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
20 Dec 2006 10:20pm
16's are cool, but the early talk was 18-20's

lots of fast 16's

large lads still need reasonable size boards to capitalise on the extra power!

anyway, i was just generalising to generate some discussion, not pimpin for the ho's

and i like bigger boards myself. post on brothers!
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