Big Jumps - C or Bow?

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general_dude
general_dude
WA
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WA, 150 posts
21 Apr 2008 1:35pm
What is best for big air? What is best for float?
dave......
dave......
WA
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WA, 2119 posts
21 Apr 2008 2:05pm

What's best for big jumps..........right size kite for the wind and someone who can actually ride...
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
21 Apr 2008 4:07pm
general dude,

I have an 11m Fuel an 8m Switchblade 3 and a 12m switchblade 3 .

Without doubt the SB's give me much higher longer airs way more hang time. This could be to do with the fact that you can ride the bow/hybrids far more powered up more comfortably. I will often be riding with my trim strap halfway in so that i can get upwind without being pulled off my edge in powered conditions only to let it out just prior to a jump.
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
21 Apr 2008 2:39pm
"I have an 11m Fuel an 8m Switchblade 3 and a 12m switchblade 3 .

Without doubt the SB's give me much higher longer airs way more hang time. This could be to do with the fact that you can ride the bow/hybrids far more powered up more comfortably."

I've jumped higher on my 11m fuel rather than the bows I have. Each to their own.
skiddz
skiddz
NT
237 posts
NT, 237 posts
21 Apr 2008 4:25pm
biggest jump I've done was on a 9m '07 Vegas, but havent riden a similar sized bow kite in the same wind, so i can't compare. Naturally a larger kite will give you more hang time, but a smaller kite will give you more height. Mind you if you have the right sized kite for the wind your in, there won't be much difference.
BLOWN AWAY
BLOWN AWAY
156 posts
156 posts
21 Apr 2008 6:37pm
Different style of jumping....

C kites generate lift by the kite fling whereas bow kites are more to do with sheeting? That's what i've found and i use both styles.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
21 Apr 2008 6:43pm
just use both. a stack of kites (prob a bow a c and a hybrid just to be safe) would give you the best jumps.
BLOWN AWAY
BLOWN AWAY
156 posts
156 posts
21 Apr 2008 6:58pm
I think it also depends on the conditions, rider skill, how powered you are etc....

It was said back in the day that high AR kites gave you the best jumps but the biggest jumps i ever got before March 2006 was on a Wipi Hydro (ie low AR).

March 2006 was when i got my first bow kites and things picked up a notch but my skill level isn't very good and i kite in gusty winds so that would detract from the flash, fast finicky kites.

KiteDevil
KiteDevil
TAS
778 posts
TAS, 778 posts
21 Apr 2008 9:01pm
general_dude said...

What is best for big air? What is best for float?


NA NA NA you're all wrong. What you want is a hot air balloon. An orange one, they go the highest and hang for ages.
BLOWN AWAY
BLOWN AWAY
156 posts
156 posts
21 Apr 2008 7:25pm
tru tru

and you don't need wind for it either
cwamit
cwamit
WA
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21 Apr 2008 8:00pm
highest jump so far would be for me on my vegas, floatiest would be on my rebel, i have seen some massive jumps on flat kites when ramping off a decent waves though!
walshd
walshd
SA
601 posts
SA, 601 posts
22 Apr 2008 11:38am
Biggest jumps by far would have to be Ruben Lenten on his 7m fuel in 40knt winds doing a megaloop.

I can never get sick of watching his movies when he's out in nuking conditions.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
22 Apr 2008 11:22am
Hi guys,

I don't think it matters what you ride. I have jumped huge on "C", Bow and 5 line hybrids, it's not the kite! What is important to going massive is timing, control, take off and experience.

Timing - Is critical. You need to have the right ramp, the right timing to pull the trigger on the kite and prefably in a nice gust all to coincide with the load and release of the edging prior to lift off.

Control is critical - If you can't reasonably control your kite ie it's too overpowered to get a good edge for take off, then you wont bump clouds. You need to be really powered up, but consistently in control of the kite. Being overpowered on a kite leads to slack back lines which slows steering and kite response. It also usually pulls you off your edge before you are ready resulting in long, low, hangy type jumps with a luffed kite to finish.

Take off - is critical. If you can't edge hard upwind and release at the point of the lift from the kite, you cannot load the lines or project yourself more upwind of the kite, this will determine height, not hangtime.

Experience is also critical - It comes in handy when maneovering the kite whilst you are in the air to be in the best position for long hangtime, good height and a controllable landing. No point going massive if you plonk your landing, or bail and crash land with a following luffed kite and a water relaunch. On super large jumps you usually have to loop the kite to prevent luffing and to make the landing doable.

Good winds,

sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
NSW, 509 posts
23 Apr 2008 10:22am
Darren you hit it on the head timing, and being in control is everything. Plus holding down a big kite.
All depends on your individual style..
Bows sheet in hard at the right time. C's edge like a mother and send that baby faster drive up.. Hybrids a little from column A and a little from column B.. sned it but not quite as hard and sheet in..
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