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g-dog
g-dog
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31 Oct 2005 8:38am
I'd like to offer my thanks to a couple of guys down at Woodies on Sunday. VB MAN and milehigh - great work guys.

I had an accident on landing where the kite fell unexpedly into the power zone. I was on the beach, not in the water, and when I got lifted off my feet, I pulled the safety pin, but it was jammed. It's a brand new chicken loop which I bought last Saturday so maybe it was just a bit stiff. I got dragged along a bit, still pulling the pin, or trying to unhook, neither of which worked, then did a few cartwheels on my head which bled a bit. Only once the kite and me were in the water did the tension decrese enough that I could get the release pin out. By then my arm was in ****loads of pain, but my mate robbo helped bring in my kite and carry both lots of gear back to the car. He found the other two guys in the car park who carried me by my harness back over the dunes to the car park near the jetty and gave me some painkillers.

When I got to hospital (I was complaining to Rob about every corner) it turned out my shoulder had popped out. I had a few shots of morphene for the pain, then a general anaesthetic (which I don't remember) and while I was out of it they pushed my shoulder back in. It still hurts a lot to move my arm, but at least I can walk around and sit up OK.

Once again, cheers guys. I owe you one.
31 Oct 2005 8:51am
"He found the other two guys in the car park who carried me by my harness back over the dunes to the car park near the jetty and gave me some painkillers"

wasn't a couple of kn cans was it?

airhead
airhead
WA
814 posts
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31 Oct 2005 9:12am
hey g-dog hope you're back on the water soon!

would like to know what type of safety you were using?

i had a similar experience a couple of seasons ago where i couldn't release the "pin". see my post www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1436 . i don't have a lot of confidence in these systems working reliably under extreme loads
CarlBevo
CarlBevo
NSW
609 posts
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31 Oct 2005 12:30pm
G-dog glad to here it wasn't any worse

makes you wonder though... I have had to pull the pin before but never under an extreme load.

I wonder if it works is not really good enough

g-dog
g-dog
WA
145 posts
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31 Oct 2005 9:44am
Read your previous post Airhead. Yep, that's what happened to me.

I have the factory standard Airush red tab and pin system. The chicken loop was brand new (picked it up a week ago) as I wanted a camel dick (don't we all ) because I was getting sick of the standard loop falling out all the time. I suppose this time, having it fall out would have been handy. Under the extreme load I couldn't manually unhook anyway, so I was relying on the pin, which proved to be unreliable when it counts.

I'm thinking maybe I should start looking into better bar and safety systems.
nonikkers
nonikkers
WA
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31 Oct 2005 9:55am
glad to hear you are ok
it could have been so much worse... lucky duck!
take care and hope to see you on the water soon
kim
vert
vert
WA
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31 Oct 2005 10:05am
sorry to hear about your shoulder dude, dislocations really suck, i popped mine surfing and it was stuck out and had to get it put back in at the hospital. i would seriously recomend that you see an orthopedic surgeon and get an mri done, not saying you need an op but i one on the other shoulder 5 years ago because it kept dislocating and its good as new. with my latest one the public surgeon said i woulnt need an op but i wasnt confident that it would be any good, so i found my surgeon from before and he sent me straight down to get an mri and that revealled a huge tear in the capsule. had to have an op and now are recovering. if you want i can give you my surgeons name and numder and chat a bit more about it.

good luck
cheers wayne
Kitehard
Kitehard
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31 Oct 2005 10:08am
Hey G-Dog,

Sorry to hear of the mishap and glad to hear you are OK.

The new Airush trigger release chicken loop is about to hit the stores and will be the best system available when it does. It utilizes the same technology as a Witchard release system but is easier to use and safer.

Check it out at http://www.airush.com/products/barsystem.asp

Good winds to all.
MikeN
MikeN
WA
368 posts
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31 Oct 2005 10:59am
Hi g-dog

I think the problem with pin releases is they do work , but it it seems that the higher the load the more critical the direction of pull is . As you would have realised as you were cartwheeling through the air it is very difficult to be precise about anything at that point .
I have seen the new Airush releases and they work very well and don't rely on directional of pull , in fact if you were to get dragged along the beach , on the chickenloop , there is a good chance it will self release .

The most important thing is to be familiar with your safety and check it often .

Good luck with the recovery .

Regards
Mike

gruezi
gruezi
WA
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31 Oct 2005 11:02am
Hey G-dog, good to hear you are ok. What a FN nightmare.....you were in good hands with VB and Milehigh.

My favorite release is the SS surefire bar. The minute I hit the beach and someone has caught the kite I release. I firmly believe that the SS system is the best out there because you are encouraged to use it as it is so simple to reset.



airhead
airhead
WA
814 posts
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31 Oct 2005 11:05am
quote:
Originally posted by g-dog

Read your previous post Airhead. Yep, that's what happened to me.

...I'm thinking maybe I should start looking into better bar and safety systems.



I now use a genuine Wichard shackle as a backup to my regular chicken loop safety so if that fails I can release the Wichard and say bye bye to the whole lot. It is totally "old" school as i can't do unhooked but that (old) sums it up nicely for me
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
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31 Oct 2005 12:05pm
Thats well Phucked G Dogg.

I had a pin system on my Gaastra Stealth and it was really unreliable. Luckily I never had to use it in a real emergency, but it worried me so I upgraded over winter and now have the new Gaastra system. It has a velcro wrap tab that is very easy to pull and it doesn't matter how much pressure is on it, or whcihc direction you pull it.

Pins are just plain dangerous, but the good news is there's good systems out there.

I think mine cost me $70 for a new loop with Dick, new webbing and safety.

Whatever, it's worth it to have an emergency you can trust.
milehigh
milehigh
WA
81 posts
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31 Oct 2005 4:18pm
hey no worries g-dog...hope you're back on the water soon.

cheers

steve
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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31 Oct 2005 5:16pm
Owch,
sounds nasty, hope you have a speedy recovery, as Gruiezi said, you were in good hands. Mind you watch VB's hands they stray!! or so Paulio's nan reckons.
See you on the water soon
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
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31 Oct 2005 5:27pm
That was a nasty day, I got flogged by a freak gust on the south side and ended up dumping the whole lot when I slammed my noggin into the sand. Still getting sand out of my hair! Was a **** day, especially when I had to swim in after the wind dropped to nothing! Only 1 hr later!

Hope the shoulder is ok. Shows that those gusty days can be really tricky! Gotta be extra careful on freaky wind days - you need lots of room for error!
robbo
robbo
WA
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31 Oct 2005 6:58pm
seeing as how this has also happened to me (couldnt get that freaken pin out when it most counted, gdog has prompted me to go looking for alternatives, coz i want to know it will release when i want it to.

been looking at the surefire spreader bar, and pro, and just had a look at the airush one.

Does anyone know if the surefire ones work with a 5th line? or why the airush one slows the kite turns - so is only suitable for beginners (as it says on the site)?

who's used a good alternative to this pin business?
thanks,
robbo.
g-dog
g-dog
WA
145 posts
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31 Oct 2005 8:02pm

Hey everyone. Thanks for the kind words.

Vert, I went to Murdoch hospital A&E and they gave me an immediate referral to one of their orthopdic surgeons who is taking a look on Wednesday.

Not sure what I'm going to do about the pin release, and from reading other people's experiences I've lost all confidence in that particular system. I suppose I've got plenty of time to think about what i'm going to get (and save up for it). I did test my new chicken loop less than a week ago - I got someone to pull on the bar while I was hooked in and pulled the tab and I fell on my butt just as expected. It works in showroom conditions, but not in real life. I imagine the only real test would be mid kite loop. Or maybe that should be mid loop, while upside down under water with a bump on the head and a broken arm.

Now that I'm off the water for a while, my biggest problem now is that I can't tie my shoelaces. I hope they'll let me wear thongs to the office.

Cheers everyone.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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31 Oct 2005 8:32pm
The 'quick' release is a misnomer.
In the heat of the moment, your reaction time is not quick.

"kite goes fast back.....You get hard smack"

It all happens in a heartbeat.
By the time your brain tells your finger to pull the pin, you are already seeing stars.

It's better to pull the pin well before the gust hits, not during.

Regards
'slave
VB MAN
VB MAN
1156 posts
1156 posts
31 Oct 2005 8:58pm
Any time Doggy Dude. But lets all hope there isn't another time.
Hope you're all good and well for hiking down in Tassie next week.
(One word of advice. Watch out for poor rellies, rellies. You'll know them when you see them they all look like him).
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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31 Oct 2005 10:53pm
Crocodile Kitee pulls out the 10 inch knife.

The blade glints in the hot sun as he slashes the sharp steel edge thru the 4 lines.

PING...and the kite flys downwind into the unknown.

Now, THAT'S a quick release!
gls
gls
WA
284 posts
gls gls
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1 Nov 2005 1:40am
Hi G-Dog
Very sad to hear about your accident. It can happen so fast can't it. But I'm sure we'll be seeing you down at Leighton again this season mate. Look forwatd to catching up with you again.
Graeme
airhead
airhead
WA
814 posts
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1 Nov 2005 9:19am
quote:
Originally posted by g-dog


Not sure what I'm going to do about the pin release, and from reading other people's experiences I've lost all confidence in that particular system.




i'm now using the gaastra spinning leash setup. as i self land 90% of the time i am constantly using the safetly release and so far so good. the safety release is a velcro system so no pins and even better no moving mechanical parts that can get jammed up with sand and salt.

check em out
g-dog
g-dog
WA
145 posts
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1 Nov 2005 8:14pm
Just an update on the details of what happened, if anyone's interested, cos I was surprised as hell to learn about this...

I went into work today where I spoke to Rob, and the scary part is that he can remember a lot more of what happened on the beach than I can. I have no memory of getting lifted, dropped 3m or getting dragged along on my butt, or apparently steering the kite towards the water.

I can only remember the kite suddenly jerk downwind as I brought it in to land and my immediate, but failed pull on the release tab, then cut to 3 seconds of what looked like the video from a camera mounted in a soccer ball after a good solid boot, and then sitting waist deep facing the kite and away from shore, finally getting the pin out after about 3 more tries and swearing like a florist about the pain in my arm. I just can't connect the three events, especially with the stuff he told me happened.

The only explanation is that I must have got knocked out while hooked into an out of control kite heading out to sea - fantastic!

Oh yeah, and work was OK with me wearing thongs.
hardcorekiter
hardcorekiter
WA
2 posts
WA, 2 posts
2 Nov 2005 1:12pm
Hi G-Dog
Pleased you are ok, i feel quite strongly though that if you are inexperianced, that you should have stayed home sunday as the conditions where very poor, evern dangerous. Its all well and good blaming it on your safty system but you were stupid being there in the first place use your nogin.It was not your safty system that injured you it was bad judgment.
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