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Yoshi
Yoshi
WA
16 posts
WA, 16 posts
21 Dec 2004 6:10pm
Yet another newbie serching for all the right answers. Currently have a Liquid Force Truth 150tt that I am using or more to the point struggling with and am quickly becoming very disheartened. Have a 12m kite and weigh about 90kg. Is it just me or is there a way better option. Price,brands and biased aside what is the best way to go?
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
21 Dec 2004 9:02pm

hehe - ive been there mate, not so long ago

if you are finding yourself under or over powered often, you might just need another kite (larger or smaller depending on the circumstances)

if you are mostly OK with the kite but are struggling to get up and ride consistently just keep at it. more time on the water will eventually pay off. Im about the same weight and learnt on a 12m kite and 142 board and found many days where I was underpowered made it difficult to work on technique. first I was consistently sliding out, unable to hold an edge. then I was OK riding a starboard tack, but not a port tack, then it was the struggle to stay upwind. i learnt I needed two kites and two boards to be comfortable in all but the strongest or lightest conditions...
PsYLoR
PsYLoR
QLD
927 posts
QLD, 927 posts
21 Dec 2004 10:28pm
Yoshi, what are you getting disheartened with? what wind speeds have you been going out in? i would say you'd need at least 15 knots minimum for that size kite to get you up and running comfortably.
Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
22 Dec 2004 10:59am
Sounds like you need a 16M at 90Kg to learn in 12-16Kts. The board sounds fine.
I'm 100Kg and I learnt on a 16M + big directional. A 12M is too small, too fast and requires too much wind for a guy your size to learn easily on IMO. Stick with it and one day it'll just click.

richo
richo
QLD
337 posts
QLD, 337 posts
25 Dec 2004 8:44am
i learnt on a 12m specrum and 150 tt truth and i weigh about the same as you. Found I had to get a bigger kite. Due to some unfortunate advice or perhaps lack of ii, i bought a 17m nitro. For a beginner it was a stupid choice, intimidating and unstable. Found my self underpowered on the 12 and not wanting to put up the 17. Get a 15 or 16 (the 15m spectrum 1 was perfect for me not to big and not to small). Stay with the board. But the thing that really helped was spending 5 or 6 sessions at cable ski world. It was not easy at first but it did not take long. Once i could ride around course with left and right foot in front i went back to the kiting and away i went. yahoo.

Try not to edge to hard at first remember it is a balancing act.
Edge hard and the kite moves foward out of the power and you will slow and maybe sink, put the board on its flat(point board down wind a bit) the kite moves back into the power and you gain some momentum again.

Enjoy the journey, the harder the struggle (man i struggled) the greater the personal reward so do not loose heart. If you give up it would be a tragedy. When i first starting going up wind i had a smile on my face for weeks. It is so good you can not believe it- the freedom of it is huge!!
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4114 posts
QLD, 4114 posts
25 Dec 2004 11:08am
Ahh, the freedom of upwind. That was a good day, as was first boost, first landed boost (a couple of days later), first backspin, double backspin, first backroll... (that's all I've really got)

Don't lose heart dude, if you're in Perth then the wind is meant to be still picking up, that rig will probably still do you fine. Especially if you lose a heap of weight as a lot of us have (I lost 15kg when I took up kiting). A bigger kite would come in handy though, I've had my 17 up a few times in the last month or so and I'm only 105kg.

The harder you try the bigger the stoke when you get it. It took me 5 days to get up on the board, that was pretty disheartening. I only had a 17 at that stage and was on my own in 20+kts all week. I was so overpowered but didn't realise. Just kept smashing myself. Sheesh, some days now I wish I was that overpowered. But when I got it I was the man.


So yeah, if you're going to persist with that kit for now go for the high wind arvos. Rig on high power. Be scared - fear is good for safety, if you're not scared you're stupid. There's my advice. Go for the safer spots though, like Safety Bay, while you're still a beginner.



The Green Baron
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Paul F
Paul F
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
25 Dec 2004 9:58am
The best advise i got when learning was to make sure i could see water between my body and the board to give me an edge, and to look where im going not at the kite. Try and keep it simple for now other wise too many things will be going through your head and you'll get frustrated.
good luck, hope my 2cents worth helps a bit
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
27 Jan 2005 7:56pm
longer lines (27-30m ish) in lower winds will enable you to increase the power-stroke of the kite and get going + stay going without a board or kite change...

shorter lines (20m) when the wind is up so that you're not easily out of control... and doing loops down the beach

taking the fins off the board in light conditions is a cheap, fun way to speed up a board by reducing it's drag... it will feel very slippery at first, great for doing slides and snaking the board through the water, but the extra speed will enable you to edge much sooner... and then your going upwind the slippery board will allow you to really feel how it responds to your feet/leg/weight movements (opened my eyes)

and stick at it
jags
jags
WA
115 posts
WA, 115 posts
28 Jan 2005 9:12am
stay with it .
i am 92kg and have a 12m cab acsess a great leaning kite and i leant on a cab vari 148 . After 2 weeks of lessons and long practice i can say i kitesurf and can go up wind . i kite in perth and lately have not gone out because the wind is to strong .i am now wanting a smaller kite for winder days .so don't agree that you should need a bigger kite .
a few things i found most useful when learning where.
keep that front leg straight most important.
having tight back lines . it means that your kite is more responsive and you can predict how much power you will get from a dive .
going out in the right weather a couple of times i went out and should of been over powered but could not even get up .what happen was i was flying the kite from one size of the window to the other and not going though the power zone .if you learn in lighter winds you will realy get to understand your kite .
as for the board i think this is a good size to learn on you will soon be wanting a smaller board.

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